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Old 07-10-2025, 05:49 AM
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Not a fucking chance. I may have cardio, but I bet Ilia Topuria has better...

They may as well give him the 55k and save the crowd the 15-20secs (just like my sexy time...).
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Old 07-10-2025, 02:55 PM
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Jiu jitsu exists as a force equalizer. A 15 year old girl could submit the rock if she knows what she's doing (or at least put him to sleep).
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Old 07-10-2025, 03:03 PM
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Jiu jitsu exists as a force equalizer. A 15 year old girl could submit the rock if she knows what she's doing (or at least put him to sleep).
Not necessarily. Joe Rogan addressed this when ego lifter douchebag Bradley Martin was acting like being 260lbs meant he could beat every boxer and BJJ person smaller than him

There was a proposed match between Bradley and Mighty Mouse (Demetrius Johnson) that I’m sure you heard about. It never happened but Joe Rogan had the right idea on how it would go

BJJ has a rule of no lifting a person and slamming them to the ground. This is also a huge force modifier when you have something like a 100lb weight difference like would exist in Bradley Vs DJ. Joe Rogan mentioned that if it was an “anything goes” sort of scenario that even as DJ was working on a submission, Bradley could lift his smaller body and “break him with the earth”. Possibly. It’s far from a guarantee but it is entirely possible

In a match with BJJ rules, however, Bradley would get destroyed and it wouldn’t even be close
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Old 07-10-2025, 06:47 PM
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Jiu jitsu exists as a force equalizer. A 15 year old girl could submit the rock if she knows what she's doing (or at least put him to sleep).
Jujitsu is a joke lmao you can counter it by standing up or walking

Like with all other unarmed martial arts, it only works if your opponent is also using it and doesn’t know as much as you
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Old 07-10-2025, 07:09 PM
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Jujitsu is a joke lmao you can counter it by standing up or walking

Like with all other unarmed martial arts, it only works if your opponent is also using it and doesn’t know as much as you
Lol what?
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Old 07-10-2025, 03:31 PM
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Well true, but it's the least worst thing to learn, tradeoffs and all that. A gun or knife beats bjj too, but your odds still go up even in that scenario.
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Old 07-10-2025, 03:50 PM
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Well true, but it's the least worst thing to learn, tradeoffs and all that. A gun or knife beats bjj too, but your odds still go up even in that scenario.
Oh yea for sure. Now more than ever I personally think anyone who is physically capable and willing to try to protect vulnerable people (like kids, women, elderly) in public should learn some basic BJJ

I just saw a recent video of some crazy homeless dude in NY who tried to abduct this 6yr old kid completely at random, and when his parents saw and said something he body slammed the kid he was carrying away to the ground

The dad and other people were able to catch up to the guy and pin him down for police to come. And that’s often what the scenario seems to be. Generally the people who are wigging out in public are often homeless, frail, not very healthy to where if you punch them too hard they might straight out die and then you’ll be defending yourself in court racking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal fees over it

Whereas BJJ allows someone to “stop” a problem person usually without the person taking too much damage. And especially also to hold them in place until police get there. I’ve seen and I’m sure you’ve seen a few vids of a Good Samaritan who knows BJJ holding someone in a hold waiting for pd in just that scenario

The caveat is that a person can still die from a hold like a guillotine a la that Daniel Penny case. So one would have to understand not to cut off blood flow to the brain for too long when employing a hold
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Old 07-10-2025, 06:35 PM
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Yeah the Penny thing was just dumb on his part, although he's still the good guy in that story and I'm 100% glad he was not convicted. Just full mount the dude and hold his wrists, unless there's a massive size imbalance that's usually plenty. Penny put him in some awkward rear choke and held it, he should have known better. But it's also a really dicey situation so who knows, at least the jury got it right.
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Old 07-10-2025, 06:56 PM
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Yeah the Penny thing was just dumb on his part, although he's still the good guy in that story and I'm 100% glad he was not convicted. Just full mount the dude and hold his wrists, unless there's a massive size imbalance that's usually plenty. Penny put him in some awkward rear choke and held it, he should have known better. But it's also a really dicey situation so who knows, at least the jury got it right.
The few times I’ve been close to a fight my heart starts going super fast and I get really excited. I think that’s the case for most people unless fighting is their actual job, then I’m assuming it feels like any other “day at the office”

With that adrenaline going it’s easier to make a mistake and not notice the kind of damage you are doing

So yea I agree while it was a bit negligent to not let go of that choke sooner, this is a dude who had his life verbally threatened like everyone else on that train and was defending people and himself with his adrenaline going

And in fact if this happened on the regular, where as soon as someone starts wiggling out in public someone else comes up and chokes them out, we’d have a bit more of a polite society

I say a bit because things will only be so good when we continue to have the streets be our permanent insane asylums where we all have to watch people melt their fucking brains with hard drugs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
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Old 07-10-2025, 07:07 PM
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Absolutely, shutting down all the asylums was a huge mistake. I have a cousin who is a full blown paranoid schizophrenic, and he just makes life hell for everyone he knows. He isn't homeless, he's lucky enough to still have both his parents alive and he just lives in their basement at the age of 44, but I can't even imagine what dealing with that is actually like.

I'm pro death penalty but I'm also pro the insanity defense. Some people really do just need to be in a padded room. High-minded politicians inflicting them on the rest of society is complete madness.
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