Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[PlsNoBan]

How's this for math:

Mage > Shaman
DSM = Autist

Hope this helps

[Troxx]

Example of DSM math:

DSM: Did you know that Usain Bolt can run 100 meters in approximately ten seconds?
Non-autist: Cool.
DSM: By my calculations that means Usain Bolt can run from New York to Los Angeles in just 5.2 days.
Non-autist: No man, that's not how that works.
DSM: Clearly you just don't understand math.

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[DeathsSilkyMist]

Continuing to use that terrible straw man only makes you look bad. Please keep using it lol.

It means you believe Shamans cannot Cannibalize and Torpor, it is just as impossible as running at full speed for 5 days. What a silly argument.

The only way that terrible straw man would work is if you could show my math was impossible. You can't, so it is not a valid comparison. You don't need to be a math major to do these calculations yourself and figure out they are not impossible, or even unreasonable.

[Troxx]

The fact that you still miss the underlying sentiment and are interpreting the comment 100% literally …

Concrete thinker much?

https://www.healthline.com/health/co...nking#takeaway

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that you still miss the underlying sentiment and are interpreting the comment 100% literally …

No, you are just showing how poorly you interpreted it to begin with, which is why you continue to use it lol.

His point is he is claiming my math is impossible. Just because someone can sprint for 100 seconds, it doesn't mean they can sprint for 5 days. It's really not a hard analogy to understand lol.

The analogy would work if I was saying something like "You can kill AoW solo if you could kite him around indefinitely". This would be impossible in practice, even if you could theoretically math it out.

If you believe that is what I am doing, you are just bad at math and basic logic.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that you still miss the underlying sentiment and are interpreting the comment 100% literally …

Concrete thinker much?

https://www.healthline.com/health/co...nking#takeaway

It's like a textbook case lol. I know autism is a meme on these forums but there is 100% some legitimate cases floating around.

[Gloomlord]

Why exactly do we need to number crunch when we all possess the intelligence here to figure out that the mage pet alone is constantly pumping out more damage over 2 hours than even the best shaman can muster?

Shaman is completely irrelevant when you have a cleric and two enchanters. A mage is just very good reliable DPS that doesn't require attention, and the ability to nuke when needed.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why exactly do we need to number crunch when we all possess the intelligence here to figure out that the mage pet alone is constantly pumping out more damage over 2 hours than even the best shaman can muster?

Shaman is completely irrelevant when you have a cleric and two enchanters. A mage is just very good reliable DPS that doesn't require attention, and the ability to nuke when needed.

It's really simple. It's very possible your experience is wrong. There are plenty of people in the world who do something for thousands of hours and don't end up learning much about the thing they spend thousands of hours on.

Besides, if that is the standard, I could just say "My experience says you are wrong", and we are back to square one.

Evidence will prove the truth, and we no longer need to rely on a he-said-she-said argument, which goes nowhere typically.

If you want more DPS, run 3x Enchanters and a Cleric. If you say "That's too risky due to charm breaks", then you admit you prefer safety over DPS lol. That means a Shaman will fill the safety role better, and the DPS loss between a Shaman and Mage isn't huge. It is a much better "in the middle" scenario.

[Gloomlord]

Best doesn't necessarily mean the most DPS.

Thing is: shaman is both worse DPS and worse group composition here. The healing and charm recovery is covered by the cleric, so what does shaman possibly bring to the table?

In this case, wouldn't the high safe DPS and nuking bring more to this group than the redundancy that is shaman?

And the people in the thread have covered why this is. It's time to admit checkmate here.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Gloomlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best doesn't necessarily mean the most DPS.

Thing is: shaman is both worse DPS and worse group composition here. The healing and charm recovery is covered by the cleric, so what does shaman possibly bring to the table?

In this case, wouldn't the high safe DPS and nuking bring more to this group than the redundancy that is shaman?

And the people in the thread have covered why this is. It's time to admit checkmate here.

If you need more DPS, bring an Enchanter. They will blow the Mage out of the water in that department.

If you need more safety, bring a Shaman. They will blow the Mage out of the water in that department.

If you want something in the middle, a Shaman offers more on average than a Mage. The DPS gap between the two is not large, and Shamans simply have a much broader toolkit.

The reason why redundancy is good is because spell casters can only cast 1 spell at a time. Having a Shaman means you can have him Slow instead of the Enchanters. You can have two people getting healed at once instead of just one person at a time, etc. That is not a trivial advantage hehe, and can even help with your DPS because you can cast more spells in the same time period.

If your Shaman is healing, your Cleric can cast https://wiki.project1999.com/Reckoning which is basically the same DPS as Shock of Steel. It isn't like having two healers adds nothing to the group DPS wise.