Raid Suspension: The Mystical Order

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Using precedent? Hilarious idea. As if cases are handled with any kind of consistency or logic on this server. We ask for the server rules to be written down, for GMs to keep punishments consistent, just completely basic things that will never happen.

IB trains Nexona on us and we lose 1 nexona, we apparently (for the sake of argument) train Hosh on IB and we lose an entire week of VP, plus we had all our loot from our four legitimate kills deleted. So we essentially lose two weeks of VP. Where was it written that we'd lose our loot for mobs that we killed while off suspension? It isn't in the post that lists the conditions of our temporary un-suspension. Can you see what I'm getting at? All we want is consistency and for precedent to mean something. Really. It would make things 1000x easier.

You don't have to type it like I am saying the opposite. I agree with you and even stated numerous times what the issues are since the very first post I've made. I felt that way on staff and I felt that as a player before and after Amelinda. I even stated a petition that was handled that was pretty much the same case, and it was ruled in favor of TMO. So it isn't like I am fighting you on this.

I am only stating sometimes the stars align and decisions match those of the past. When players get upset is when decisions don't correspond to past issues. This has always been an issue and will con-tune to be an issue.

No one is spinning you simply aren't understanding what people are typing to you in plain english. The aggro to zone in was off IB's secondary aggro where a cleric healed a bard. Whether our train up guy died or not doesn't matter. Once the cleric healed the bard in that group Hoshkar was coming to zone in.

No you don't get it. If it wasn't for your Hosh train, this may very well never had happened. Between what the gms can look at, and what your own guild member stated, it was most likely the cause of Hoku of gaining agro on Hosh. It's the only thing that matters. IB didn't train themselves, TMO caused Hoku to gain agro from a failed train/pull. That's it. It's the price of training shit around.

[Rais]

No idea what a con-tune is. Continue is what it should be!

[Antarctica]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Neat log though.

Thanks~

[Hitpoint]

Yea, I know you agree. I apologize for wording it like that.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it a rule that Inny has to be fought upstairs? Apparently it used to, be but isn't any more. Oh but wait then Sirken made a in-game broadcast that it wasn't allowed. Where is the post/written rule on this? .

It's in the raid section. Amelinda allowed me to make it a rule in the past, then Sirken became gm and removed the rule. Now he wants it again from what he said in this post. So who knows where it stands at this point. I would just go off of what is stated and seems fool proof not to shoot yourself in the foot.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=156672

[Mon Jun 23 21:55:25 2014] Sirken BROADCASTS, 'Hail my fellow Norrathians! Just a fun reminder about Plane of Hate - If there's already a guild at the entrance, your guild is not allowed to pull Inny to the entrance - set up camp somewhere else. thanks!'

Sirken,

Can you please clarify if this is only if guilds are in there clearing during the pop or does this also apply to FFA/Class-C races?

Example, on a Class-C/FFA Inny pop, both TMO and IB race to Hate and both guilds are now in zone, do we have to engage Inny on spawn ( or elsewhere ) and can no longer pull him to zone?

Sirken:

sure can,

If there's already a guild at the entrance, your guild is not allowed to pull Inny to the entrance, set up camp somewhere else

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No you don't get it. If it wasn't for your Hosh train, this may very well never had happened. Between what the gms can look at, and what your own guild member stated, it was most likely the cause of Hoku of gaining agro on Hosh. It's the only thing that matters. IB didn't train themselves, TMO caused Hoku to gain agro from a failed train/pull. That's it. It's the price of training shit around.

[Mon Jul 28 15:05:09 2014] Hokushin -> Lazie: the hoshkar was IBs from the looks of it, which we could have easily derailed ourselves.


So even the puller admitting Hoshkar was IB's isn't enough for you ? Or do you want to keep picking and choosing what you read.

[Freakish]

No matter how you pull Xygoz, you'll be bringing him down through Hoshkar. There is a very small brief window of opportunity where he sits in his room, then he immediately goes back to pathing through the zone. Would sneak pulling Xygoz have worked? Maybe. It apparently didn't, because Hokushin gained aggro on Hoshkar, either through someone buffing before Xygoz passed him and didn't have sneak on or he was facing the wrong way. He should have been facing away if he was being trained up.

All it means to me is that regardless of TMO interference that Hoshkar was coming to zone in. The only difference was there was no fancy zonewide FTE message to show you that you gained aggro on it.

[Rais]

Yet this doesn't match up what the staff talked to with the players in question. It's pretty fucking simple dude. Your puller had FTE on Hosh, he and your guild was responsible for what it does while you train it away. Even in death of a puller. This goes for IB, TMO, BDA, Taken or Intense Cocksuckers of Norrath. If you have FTE and training shit around, you are responsible for it. End of story.

I can make it simple

Sirken: Who had agro on Hosh and training stuff up?

TMO : We had FTE on hosh and was training everything up.

IB: Sounds about right.

Sirken: Did Hosh come to zone in because IB had agro?

IB: Seems like it, not sure how we had agro
TMO : Well we trained shit up and Hosh passed next to Xygoz on your pull while you were waiting to engage.

Sirken: Oh, so the train up gained social agro onto Hoku, and when your puller died it went to zone in for IB?

IB+TMO: Seems like that could be the case

Sirken : Any rebuttals?

TMO: Well they should know they have agro if we lose our train/pull. It's not our fault they didn't derail it or camp out in time.

Sirken, Derubael, Rogean: .................

This very easily could be tmo in the position of IB. If it happens, petition away and get them suspended for the same thing.

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[Socratic]

IB: We pulled Xygoz through the entire zone, i'm not sure why we'd have aggro on anything but Xygoz... derp.