Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, is there no hope for the folks who want to raid VP without trains?

there are plenty of other servers out there. you could even start your own! maybe if you championed a worthy cause that wasn't about pixel welfare for you and your guild you would have greater success.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are plenty of other servers out there. you could even start your own! maybe if you championed a worthy cause that wasn't about pixel welfare for you and your guild you would have greater success.

So you think being able to keep guilds out of a zone through training makes you somehow more entitled to pixels? lol

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you think being able to keep guilds out of a zone through training makes you somehow more entitled to pixels? lol

nobody is 'entitled' to pixels. constantly trolling the forums to rile up support for rules to benefit you would be a lot less pathetic if FE was still at least trying within the current ruleset. don't you remember how great it felt 6 months ago when you guys killed druushk? not too late to turn back

it could be time to put in a TMO app tasslehof. you are actually a good player; i think your chances are quite good

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

already did this earlier in the week because of this thread. z axis is still messed up. stuff popping through walls still happens. and by staying along a certain set of walls (you know which walls im sure) ANY class can keep the mobs pathing back and over the the zone-in spot forever and safely with relative ease.

So guys, please dont say pathing is fine / fixed, because its not. that being said, part of the agreement with us releasing VP when we did was because we were aware that the pathing wasn't great, players didnt care, so we told them that we would release the zone on the condition that it would be a p99 style non CSR zone, and that essentially the ONLY thing we'd do is enforce rules against cheating the game mechanics, IE: fighting dragons where they are unable to fight back (this is different that EQLive non csr, if anyone quotes the EQLive non CSR rules again im going to tear my eyes out because facepalm doesnt cut for some of you anymore).

It's been almost 2 years since VP was released. What can the players who wish to see pathing fixed and training become a complete non-factor inside of VP do to help resolve these pathing issues?

Can there be some sort of binding agreement that players who are in the zone in order to research these pathing issues cannot be trained by TMO, FE, or anyone else?

In his previous post, Nilbog mentioned that the pathing changes have been fixed for over a month now and he has not heard any news from players in regards to poor pathing. TMO is the only guild that spends a considerable amount of time in the zone, and it would appear they have no incentive to report buggy pathing (since they use it to aid their training of others or pull dragons).

How can we change that so that pathing gets fixed? What can we do?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In his previous post, Nilbog mentioned that the pathing changes have been fixed for over a month now and he has not heard any news from players in regards to poor pathing. TMO is the only guild that spends a considerable amount of time in the zone, and it would appear they have no incentive to report buggy pathing (since they use it to aid their training of others or pull dragons).

It's more probable that they didn't even notice any changes, considering IB and TMO both reported the bad pathing from the start.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's more probable that they didn't even notice any changes, considering IB and TMO both reported the bad pathing from the start.

I disagree but anyway that isn't my point, so let's not detract too far from it.

The players need to know what information they can gather, or what kind of things they can do to more quickly help the dev's fix the pathing problems and nobody is going to want to zone into VP under fear of being trained to poke around and look for issues.

The fact things were "fixed" a month ago, and the devs/gms have not received any comments that things are still broken is alarming.

It has been 2 years, what can we do to help?

P.s. this question is directed straight at devs/gms not players.

[Funkutron5000]

I think it would require a gentleman's agreement, and, well, we know that ain't happening.

[Shinko]

its fucking bad, TMO still avoids my trains from fake walls and other means

[MaksimMazor]

Originally Posted by Shinko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its fucking bad, TMO still avoids my trains from fake walls and other means

Lol or simply invis'ing oneself

[Vandy]

If they don't want to alter the training rule then how about an exception? Do not allow trains in VP unless you have an opposing raid force outside ready to zone in to make your move. This would force them to go for VP mobs first on repop days if another guild is making a move, instead of hitting all the outside bosses and train/delaying the raid in VP so they can clean it up later. Would open up more of the other spawns to other guilds and if they decide to go for outside mobs first, would give other guilds a shot at a few VP bosses.

Any thoughts?

p.s.
This would also prevent grief training when Velious comes out and VP does open up. New guilds will want to try VP and people who are assholes/bored has free pass to train them. That shouldn't be allowed.