Raiding scene changes proposal

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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This is literally the worst attempt at refutation I've seen on the internet, ever.

'All your claims are wrong, a joke, and everything you said is moot because human nature encompasses all human activity'

Is it even possible to be more intentionally obtuse and pedantic, while totally ignoring the main thrust of what I said?

No and that was the point. You made claims based on your opinion and called them fact. They aren't there really wasn't much to refute.


Your post boils down to "I have this opinion on how you should raid, and I am right".


So I responded to a pointless post with one of my own to make it readily apparent how ridiculous your post was.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No and that was the point. You made claims based on your opinion and called them fact. They aren't there really wasn't much to refute.


Your post boils down to "I have this opinion on how you should raid, and I am right".


So I responded to a pointless post with one of my own to make it readily apparent how ridiculous your post was.

Nothing in this post is valid.

Refuted.

/victory

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I want competition that isn't a result of our relative advantage being diminished by stupid changes. Want to gain an edge? Earn it.

Ah, like they earn it when socking targets?

The only advantage given from my suggestion is if TMO botches a pull (which shouldn't happen).

The rest puts everyone on level ground and keeps people from socking targets (which no one likes to do)

[quido]

Stealin you're being as dense as everyone else here. Do you really need your system to come to fruition to see that it is a flop?

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stealin you're being as dense as everyone else here. Do you really need your system to come to fruition to see that it is a flop?

No, I really don't care either way tbh. I don't see it as bad as you seem to think it will be tho.

If I were raiding, I'd trade the bad that would come with that for no sockfests tho.

[gotrocks]

rotations

velious

or

keep it the way it is.

those are really the only three options, and seeing as too many people disagree with rotations, and no one can agree on a better system than whats already in place, looks like velious.

[Tarathiel]

until rogean/nilbogs changes happen, nothing will happen, its already pretty apparent by the general direction of this thread that tmo has no intention of ever working with any guild for anything ever. they simply cannot be asked to abide by anything short of a gm ruling(and even then they will use every loop hole to their advantage) the only way things would change on p99 otherwise would be if multiple guilds formed up to create an even bigger zerg than tmo, and at that point people would just start making threads about that guild and the cycle would continue. its just the way of things around here

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

until rogean/nilbogs changes happen, nothing will happen, its already pretty apparent by the general direction of this thread that tmo has no intention of ever working with any guild for anything ever. they simply cannot be asked to abide by anything short of a gm ruling(and even then they will use every loop hole to their advantage) the only way things would change on p99 otherwise would be if multiple guilds formed up to create an even bigger zerg than tmo, and at that point people would just start making threads about that guild and the cycle would continue. its just the way of things around here

If you were capable of being objective you would notice that TMO has worked with many guilds in the past.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you were capable of being objective you would notice that TMO has worked with many guilds in the past.

using enraptured as a buffer to evade bans and throwin them some dkp to make up for the utter destruction of their reputation doesnt count

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

using enraptured as a buffer to evade bans and throwin them some dkp to make up for the utter destruction of their reputation doesnt count

We had a free dragon policy for awhile till BDA shit on that, we have raided with enraptured and taken to allow them to have mobs. We have stayed off engaged for Flawless Victory for hours at a time. We have stayed off engaging for almost anything Divinity is involved in. Even stayed engages for BDA before VD joined them.

We have brought guests on our raids to allow them to kilL Dwagons!. We have offered advice on kills to other guilds, even to the point of loaning or giving out resist gear.

Some stuff we haven't done that some members of your guild or FE has done. We never memblurred raid targets with the intention of getting them to Complete heal when we had no capability of killing that target. We have never supported or reinvited MQ/SEQ users(once discovered) into our guild. We have never had a GM in our guild specifically design raid rules to put our competition at a disadvantage(or less of an advantage). We have never gone against a rotation agreement when one was in affect. We have never avoided suspension when other partners in our raid team were suspended on a joint raid.