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[Godefroi]

oh my god, go talk to a psychologist, this is a fun game not a fucking hospital !!!

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its pretty much been proven that true alcoholics cant ever drink "socially" (ie, taking a couple drinks every now and then).

Give me a source that proves it and I will give you 10 that refute it. Addiction isn't some disease although that is what AA would want you to believe. Granted the severity of addiction does have some to with genetic make up of the addicted that much is proven, but for the vast majority of people who are classified as an alcoholic, they can be completely rehabilitated and have a couple of drinks here and there.

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There have been a ton of studies on this. If you're an alcoholic, you're always an alcoholic. You can't condition someone to not be one because its brain chemistry. The programs that are claiming to show people how to drink responsibly are bullshit - that may work for a year, maybe 2 or 3 or 4, but eventually that person is going to go back to being an alcoholic.


doesnt matter what program you're in, long term recovery from alcoholism is extremely rare and difficult. I'd say 20% is probably too high, its more like 10%. Pretty sure thats the highest recovery rate of any program long term. Other programs boast having over 50%, but thats generally after a year at most, and it falls off rapidly after that to around 2-3% if that.

More AA nonsense propaganda. Give me dat sauce.

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've done a ton of reading on this for both sides. I've got a really good book you should check out if you're interested in the subject, il try to find the title.

Give it to me as long as it isn't an AA pamphlet.

But here is some reading for you in the mean time that validates everything I have stated.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...logy-addiction

http://www.psychologytoday.com/basics/addiction

[Lexical]

Originally Posted by Lemmy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you engage the jehovas witnesses that come to your door too?

I do! I met one that was actually a nano-physicist and we had a really engaging conversation over some tea. Most are not nano-physicists sadly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Lexical]

Mormons are my favorite door to door salesmen.

[gotrocks]

Originally Posted by Lemmy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me how AA is not this:

cult
/kəlt/
Noun

A system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
A relatively small group of people having religious beliefs or practices regarded by others as strange or sinister.

Synonyms
worship - religion - adoration

you be trollin' son.

or you just don't know anything about AA. Probably both. Not really sure what you have against AA, maybe you had a close family member who was an alcoholic and he paid more attention to AA than he did to you.

And Lex, I wont deny that there are indeed some people who can "recover" from alcoholism, but there have been too few long-term studies that show this to be possible.

I don't really want to debate with you simply because no matter what i say, you won't change your mind, and no matter what you say, you won't change my mind. I think that we can both agree that AA does help some people, and for many others i does nothing.

[gotrocks]

But just to humor you, AA is neither of those things. Not even close. There are all kinds of different faiths/religions in AA, so clearly there is no devotion towards a particular figure or object, and unless Christianity is suddenly considered strange or sinister, the second definition doesn't apply either. I think you're just ignorant.

[Thana8088]

Here's an idea: If you don't agree with it, don't fucking go. But don't come in here acting all offended because someone is trying to do something constructive for a possible subset of the population.

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But just to humor you, AA is neither of those things. Not even close. There are all kinds of different faiths/religions in AA, so clearly there is no devotion towards a particular figure or object, and unless Christianity is suddenly considered strange or sinister, the second definition doesn't apply either. I think you're just ignorant.

Christianity is neither strange nor sinister, which is why I don't understand why it's taboo to point out the religious roots of Alcoholics Anonymous. This is a well known issue within AA, and has been debated since the manuscript of The Big Book was first penned.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How's it anonymous when your name is over your character?

do lvl 1 gnome alts in tunnel for true anonymous meeting!

[Hitchens]

Originally Posted by Lemmy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

arab sun god cult

Lay off the Acharya S books. They aren't true. One does not need to invent things in order to criticize religion.