Server raiding scene saved!!

[Nirgon]

Sirken is so far removed from having friends in guilds here or side interests.. you are completely high out of your mind.

Bad form making this post.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sirken is so far removed from having friends in guilds here or side interests.. you are completely high out of your mind.

Bad form making this post.

i don't think he has a rooting interest, i think the system is stupid and TMO is shady for abusing it

[BigSlip]

Dont feel sorry for these scrubs.

PS its your own fault OP for making a sarcastic ass post in server caht. I can tell you this thread would land in rnf wether i was here or not.

[BigSlip]

Then quit. Youre gonna lose either way... youre bda..

[BigSlip]

exactly

[Tanthallas]

It is pretty clear what happened today.

TMO got loot off Trakanon with 17 people at their peak engaged on him. These 17 people were the peak, not the force that ran in to engage a raid mob they planned to kill with their own guild. TMO had just wiped with 27 of these same people, so I would really love to hear the argument that it was a sufficient raid force.

I do agree that the 'sufficient raid force' concept is far too ambiguous to be able to fall back on as a rule, though. That is side-stepping the real issue here, however, which is:

1. Not only that TMO actually stoops so low as to have a monk pop up for FTE after they already had a legitimate shot without interference, but that they were actually found to be IN THE RIGHT for engaging in this behavior. Clearly, the rules need to be fucking rethought if this behavior is REWARDED.

2. The atmosphere which has been established on this server - that of rule-lawyering and ridiculous formalism - and its discontents.

3. The fact, based on these rulings, any guild is free to get FTE now as the OP has said. Once you run in with your raid force, you cannot simply 'back out' if someone else got FTE even if they dont have a sufficient force to kill it....let alone if they do.

[quido]

It's not perfect, but it's the lesser of two evils (the greater being that people can never attempt/claim a raid mob with low numbers because supposedly their force isn't sufficient).

You guys are lucky we don't petition you for disciplinary action for trying to ruin our Trak engage by adding extra lifetaps!!

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You guys are lucky we don't petition you for disciplinary action for trying to ruin our Trak engage by adding extra lifetaps!!

nice.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is pretty clear what happened today.

TMO got loot off Trakanon with 17 people at their peak engaged on him. These 17 people were the peak, not the force that ran in to engage a raid mob they planned to kill with their own guild. TMO had just wiped with 27 of these same people, so I would really love to hear the argument that it was a sufficient raid force.

I do agree that the 'sufficient raid force' concept is far too ambiguous to be able to fall back on as a rule, though. That is side-stepping the real issue here, however, which is:

1. Not only that TMO actually stoops so low as to have a monk pop up for FTE after they already had a legitimate shot without interference, but that they were actually found to be IN THE RIGHT for engaging in this behavior. Clearly, the rules need to be fucking rethought if this behavior is REWARDED.

2. The atmosphere which has been established on this server - that of rule-lawyering and ridiculous formalism - and its discontents.

3. The fact, based on these rulings, any guild is free to get FTE now as the OP has said. Once you run in with your raid force, you cannot simply 'back out' if someone else got FTE even if they dont have a sufficient force to kill it....let alone if they do.

The main problem is hypocrisy. BDA cries when shit doesn't go their way. You guys just got VS loots from having 5 people online with 1 second earlier FTE. The you cry here when we get fte a full 10 seconds before you, and call us shady?

TMO can easily kill trakanon with 18 people... however on the FTE we had 25 there. The reason we wiped in the first place is because we had no groups formed and engaged about 15 seconds after the "batphone". It was rushed for whatever reason. BDA then had 15 mins to engage and you didnt. Stop sucking.

[Daliant17447]

After TMO wiped, we should have given BDA a free uncontested shot at Trakanon and allowed them as much time as they needed to prepare. It would have been the moral and right thing to do. I am disappointed.