Daliant admits to RMT, will GMs even ban someone who openly admits it?

[buffett77]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ban account sales altogether.

Problem solved.

you must be retarded...

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The faster Kinsawt and Crew sells off there guild bank and split the better.

Keep them off the server and everything will be OK.

The majority of the server doesn't read the forums so the IB troll accounts don't really have an effect.

[pasi]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are only two reasons to liquidate all your items on an EQ server:

1] Because you want to start over on another character and avoid your rep
2] Because you want to RMT

It was 100% fucking obvious that ALL the IB guys who were liquidating their characters were going to RMT all that plat. I remember when Szeth sold his account on the forums, and people asked why the hell he was going to do it, and he replied with some BS like "I like to have big numbers in my PP account". I know because I've been buying high end items for less and less PP for the last month or so - these guys only want PP. If you ask them about trades they are totally uninterested, because they can only RMT pp.

And yes, RMT has a moderately negative effect on the game, because you get people who just monopolize camps, like Jeremy and Tootles/Tizzle at the fungi king. Now Jeremy is in the clear as we know he just dumped 800k on a fungi staff. But what about Tizzle? He also would have earned 800k and Tootles doesn't have a Donal's BP even, and there is one for sale for 325k. All you have to do is go back and look at all the IB people who sold accounts; if you find someone who doesn't have another toon playing on that IP . . . .

What irritates me about this is that it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out the shit that is going on here. I think the problem is that its just work and the server staff doesn't care enough to do anything about it.

[somnia]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why argue logical fallacies and then commit one? Poisoning the well.

GM's should actively be checking the movement of accounts. They can log which accounts and ip's are moving the accounts, and who is receiving them. They can access trade logs to see what was exchanged. With information that newguy posted they could verify a the item exchanged on that date. That is just basics, i'm sure rogean have alot of built in tools they added for this. But without their access there is no way to know how extensive they are

You offer no advice that hasn't been said before. How can you tell between a legitimate platinum transfer between friends or somebody giving their account to their guild? Even if they monitored the characters fitting the description posted on the RMT sites then how do you know somebody isn't just maliciously posting that character as if it were for sale? The only plausible way I can see this working is if you monitor the IP on all possible characters matching the descriptions and check to see if a never-before-seen IP appears for that character without any trade logs of platinum or items being exchanged from the new IP. This method would require either writing a web crawler for their forums or having a person input the info by hand.

This might work for RMT characters but platinum and items are a different story. You could monitor trade logs of the flow of platinum and high-end items but how can you, and your 100% philosophy, guarantee the platinum or items weren't given out because these two people "happen" to be friends IRL. Further, it's likely RMTers spread their items and platinum across dozens of characters and log in with a different proxy for each character as to limit losses in case of discovery. Further, if these people are truly sophisticated then they have a way to "clean" their platinum and items by going through several intermediates along different trade paths so as to provide the illusion that items are traded legitimately.

I hate to say this but there's really no surefire way to reliably discover and ban RMTers. This is a situation where everybody knows where the MOB hangs out but can't charge them with anything because all their crimes happen under the radar (ahem and well cops aren't always noble).

Alarti you sound like a lawyer IRL - want to strike up a case against the RMT site?

[Verenity]

Posting before the thread gets locked.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by somnia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You offer no advice that hasn't been said before. How can you tell between a legitimate platinum transfer between friends or somebody giving their account to their guild? Even if they monitored the characters fitting the description posted on the RMT sites then how do you know somebody isn't just maliciously posting that character as if it were for sale? The only plausible way I can see this working is if you monitor the IP on all possible characters matching the descriptions and check to see if a never-before-seen IP appears for that character without any trade logs of platinum or items being exchanged from the new IP. This method would require either writing a web crawler for their forums or having a person input the info by hand.

This might work for RMT characters but platinum and items are a different story. You could monitor trade logs of the flow of platinum and high-end items but how can you, and your 100% philosophy, guarantee the platinum or items weren't given out because these two people "happen" to be friends IRL. Further, it's likely RMTers spread their items and platinum across dozens of characters and log in with a different proxy for each character as to limit losses in case of discovery. Further, if these people are truly sophisticated then they have a way to "clean" their platinum and items by going through several intermediates along different trade paths so as to provide the illusion that items are traded legitimately.

I hate to say this but there's really no surefire way to reliably discover and ban RMTers. This is a situation where everybody knows where the MOB hangs out but can't charge them with anything because all their crimes happen under the radar (ahem and well cops aren't always noble).

Alarti you sound like a lawyer IRL - want to strike up a case against the RMT site?

In general I agree with you. I actually thought about how I would write scripts to do this and it isn't easy. For example I loaned my friend's alt monk a RBG once. To the server that would look exactly like RMT. It's an interesting mathematical problem.

But IB's case is different. When you have a bunch of people who are openly selling items and quitting the server . . . I mean what the hell do you think they are doing with the pp? Letting it sit in the bank?

[somnia]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general I agree with you. I actually thought about how I would write scripts to do this and it isn't easy. For example I loaned my friend's alt monk a RBG once. To the server that would look exactly like RMT. It's an interesting mathematical problem.

But IB's case is different. When you have a bunch of people who are openly selling items and quitting the server . . . I mean what the hell do you think they are doing with the pp? Letting it sit in the bank?

Indeed - I think it's so incredibly obvious that IB members selling their account for plat should be banned. Further, any IB character that randomly logs in from a never-before-seen IP should be banned. I'm 100% certain we'll get a couple of false positives in this procedure but IMO it's an acceptable loss for the health of the server.

To further enhance these rulings, I think all characters on auction in forums should be required to list a name.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by somnia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You offer no advice that hasn't been said before. How can you tell between a legitimate platinum transfer between friends or somebody giving their account to their guild? Even if they monitored the characters fitting the description posted on the RMT sites then how do you know somebody isn't just maliciously posting that character as if it were for sale? The only plausible way I can see this working is if you monitor the IP on all possible characters matching the descriptions and check to see if a never-before-seen IP appears for that character without any trade logs of platinum or items being exchanged from the new IP. This method would require either writing a web crawler for their forums or having a person input the info by hand.

This might work for RMT characters but platinum and items are a different story. You could monitor trade logs of the flow of platinum and high-end items but how can you, and your 100% philosophy, guarantee the platinum or items weren't given out because these two people "happen" to be friends IRL. Further, it's likely RMTers spread their items and platinum across dozens of characters and log in with a different proxy for each character as to limit losses in case of discovery. Further, if these people are truly sophisticated then they have a way to "clean" their platinum and items by going through several intermediates along different trade paths so as to provide the illusion that items are traded legitimately.

I hate to say this but there's really no surefire way to reliably discover and ban RMTers. This is a situation where everybody knows where the MOB hangs out but can't charge them with anything because all their crimes happen under the radar (ahem and well cops aren't always noble).

Alarti you sound like a lawyer IRL - want to strike up a case against the RMT site?

It's not my job to solve the servers problems? It is also not my job to investigate RMT.

Your post fits in with my point altogether. There is no way to 100% know without confession and /or mistakes made by sellers/buyers.
TMO doesn't support RMTing or cheating. Once, we had enough evidence in the past and now we have booted those cheaters/RMT'ers.
So once again TMO lives up to what they say they will do.

You float to points when it conveniences you. First it was TMO harbors cheaters/RMT'ers, and then it was just we must harbor cheaters if we can't find them all? We don't harbor cheaters and have proven it.
Of course there is cheaters/RMT'ers in most if not all guilds. However, we don't have a magical flag that appears on their head when they cheat. We do monitor our apps who seem to have more money, accounts than they should, i.e. people who just started on the server. But there really isn't much more you can ask from us.

The truth is that a vast majority of this server including BDA, TMO, Div, etc. does not RMT, or cheat. For you to say most of TMO or most of any guild does, is ridiculous. I ask you where is your evidence?

Newguy obviously had some insider information from szeth? However, I will not take someone on their word without real evidence. That just makes sense right? Or are you the type who just believe any hyperbole you hear just because it gets a greater reaction?

You are either one of the most retarded people on this server, or a really bad troll.

Personally, I believe you are just a troll because it is hard for me to believe based on some of your past syntax that you are that unintelligent.

I fully expect you to quote this and say something disparaging linking me to a lawyer. But, I hope for a reasoned response from you for a change.

[Safon]

IB, scum even at the end

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