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Old 05-02-2012, 02:17 PM
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^ False, no such distinction exists. Such a distinction is explicitly rebutted: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...19&postcount=1

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If a mob is killed in a non-disputable zone, the group (and thus raid/guild) that is merited the kill has rights to the loot. If they don't grant you permission to loot the corpse, you are violating an individual server rule by ninja looting.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:19 PM
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And anyways, ultimately the system is the final arbiter on who 'owns' the kill...once it goes public, it goes public. Thats the whole point of that mechanic.
I don't think you can go on the basis of that timer, in that case anyone who ever had something killed by someone else would have to contend with other people standing around.

If someone kills something they have the loot rights to it.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:27 PM
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no, they don't. The system makes the corpse public. You mean they SHOULD have loot rights exclusively. I agree. But they don't.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:31 PM
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Naelor, if that is the case I ask that you respond to the statement from Rogean that I have referenced.

We cannot infer that the system allows loot rights to go FFA just because a corpse unlocks. Otherwise, ninjalooting could never be punished.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:32 PM
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People have had disciplinary actions for taking items off a mob because a corpse went "public" because they did not have the owner's permission - I've seen it at both group and raid sized events.

People trying to say otherwise are either trolling or monumentally retarded. You *really* believe you can just walk by and take whatever off a corpse just because it's "public"? rofl
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:35 PM
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lol

a dozen people say you can't claim a kill for an alt that you log over to and he keeps rephrasing the question.

one person says what he wants to hear and says 'thanks!'
i rephrased it because I wasn't sure i was understood, I didn't think that was right as i have always thought it was perfectly acceptable to kill a mob with one toon and loot with another toon on ur account. Always done it and known others to do it, that was on live though.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:44 PM
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You *really* believe you can just walk by and take whatever off a corpse just because it's "public"? rofl
It is my opinion that in this specific situation, the original poster had given up his claim to the loot by logging off.

If you want to misrepresent this position, you are certainly free to do so.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:52 PM
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Xasten has shown that the owner of a kill must provide consent to allow others to remove loot from said kill.

Hitchens is arguing that consent is implied by logging the character.

Xasten has provided clarification that consent can be implied from the killer logging after killing, but that expressed consent or expressed denial of consent is within the killer's power to grant or deny via log/screenshot-able methods in chat prior to logging off as the killer.

Basically, cover your bases and expressly tell the other party they do -not- have permission to remove loot from the corpse while you log to an alt. As proven, GMs enforce this decision.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:59 PM
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It is my opinion that in this specific situation, the original poster had given up his claim to the loot by logging off.

If you want to misrepresent this position, you are certainly free to do so.
The only misrepresentation is the one that you assert there is some unspoken exception to the stated server rules. And in all actuality, specifically refute what you are claiming.

Your opinion is wrong.
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Old 05-02-2012, 03:03 PM
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