Helping population - a moderate approach to permabans - Page 5

heartbrand · #41 03-26-2012, 01:57 PM

Why does this guy keep thinking the only people who box are those using an ip exemp?

Dullah · #42 03-26-2012, 01:59 PM

Its the easiest way to do it, therefore the most popular. Its also the most easily detected way of doing it, therefore, the most banned.

Greegon · #43 03-26-2012, 02:02 PM

On second thought, looking at the sadly dwindling population, maybe we shouldn't be so quick to banhammer everyone. One thing I've discussed with guildies is the MQ problem--people probably don't know MQ is not allowed if theyre coming from other EMUs and as such may be banned before they even know whatsup. I personally didn't care to read the rules or the forums for the first 2 years of my being here, so it would make sense to me that accidents happen. Also, rather than perma-ban these people off of the bat maybe doing something like de-leveling them to lvl 1 and removing all of their items/pp on accounts touched by their IP. Then you could put them on a watchlist and if they keep breaking rules you could give them a long suspension/maybe a ban. Definitely removing exemptions works too. Maybe time to try something different?

Same goes for other exploiters [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Punish! Don't turn a blind eye

Greegon · #44 03-26-2012, 02:03 PM

Hearing people say that they've heard "8" people got banned today is a little discouraging when the server pop. sucks even if they are cheating at a 12-year-old game! New punishment!

Faywind · #45 03-26-2012, 02:37 PM

Honestly, nothing is going to save R99, it's far too late for that. The whole 2-boxing argument is a moot point.

Dullah · #46 03-26-2012, 02:41 PM

So says you, but what do you know. Could be right and I'm grasping at straws, but I think its worth a shot since at this point theres nothin to lose (except the server).

kazroth · #47 03-26-2012, 02:48 PM

There are many ways to make the red server a more enjoyable place, wouldn't you agree?

Why is your suggestion to let the ethics and values be the first to go?

"If you build it, they will come." But your suggestion sounds like, "They will come, if you let them destroy it."

Amelinda · #48 03-26-2012, 03:12 PM

Here is why we can't simply take IP Exemptions away for the multiboxing problem (And I am VERY VERY Loathe to make this public because I am afraid it will give some of these idiots ideas.

Do you know how long it takes me to do 1 IP Exemption as it is? It takes me a VERY VERY Long time. 3-4 minutes at minimum if it's a simple 2 account exemption. We don't have Soulmarks yet on the GM side of things. So there is no way for me to simply take an account and mark it to NEVER have an IP Exemption ever again. And trust me. This would make it take 15 minutes for 1 ip exemption. I won't go into details of why but it totally would. All to make sure we were catering to being "Moderate"

In addition to that - Not everyone boxes via IP exemption.

1 - Bilefroth (RMTer) Was caught 4 boxing the Efreeti last April with a cleric, mage, sk and shaman. He was using 3 IP addresses (Cell phone tether, wireless air card & 1 ip exemption)

2 - Caught a random guy on blue about a month ago who was boxing 3 characters and admitted to me he had 3 ip addresses on 3 computers side by side and he was using that set up. 0 exemptions.

3 - Caught 3 2-boxers in Lesserfaydark last May. They were using 0 Ip exemptions between all 6 accounts. Proxies ftw.

I've had other ex-boxers admit to me the way they were boxing using other methods to make it LOOK like they are totally different people.

Removing IP Exemptions from people who are caught would not help. Removing IP Exemptions altogether would ONLY Penalize people who legitimately want to play with family & Friends just so we could deter the 4 people who don't know how to obtain an alternate IP address to box.

Unfortunately it's just not a very effective way to do it.

kazroth · #49 03-26-2012, 03:31 PM

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3-4 minutes at minimum if it's a simple 2 account exemption.

Guessing you meant 3-4 hours here?

Amelinda · #50 03-26-2012, 05:02 PM

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Guessing you meant 3-4 hours here?

no. 3-4 minutes. PER exemption. And that is assuming I don't find problems as I'm looking them up. If a previous boxer has requested an exemption i have to then try to weed through and find their accounts to remove all exemptions etc.

It takes time. I have to make sure the account is a valid account. Make sure it's in good standing. Make sure they aren't cheaters etc.

It takes time.

and this is really a gross underestimate.

This may not sound like a long time to you but figure that people request exemptions for around 150 accounts a week. if I sit down to exempt 150 accounts I am probably spending 7 hours exempting.