The real reason the population is declining is...

[Lazortag]

Oh look, the typical red player response: making shit up:

Originally Posted by Bkab [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wolfram griefed off the box cause he can't hang with the big dogs. It's all good pal you can now go back to hand holding and poop socking on your blue box and forever rid us of your retarded presence. Win/win

How could I have been griefed off the box if I still play?

Originally Posted by Tombom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lazerfag was griefed off of red by the Heroes of B$ in the qeynos massacre.

I still play and I'm much higher leveled than you. Your guild was dead a month ago.

Originally Posted by Amuk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best killshot of Wolfram this box was him dueling me in sro thinking a rogue can't do shit to a bard - sticking him with a spinebreak and coining his ass. <3

It was a 6v1, and you took 1 gold 6 silver off of me. Is that a lot of money to you?

To the rest of you: your rage sustains me.

[billyinorganic]

NICE TRY AT TROLLING

[Doors]

Server population sucks for a lot of reasons but mainly because of:

No global ooc
Means no groups for lowbies
No yellow text
Free for all PvP rules

But the main reason the server suffers is actually Holocaust. Here's a group of people that have been playing together for years on pvp servers and the majority of them are known cheaters, users of Showeq, mq, etc. Their sole objective here is to grief other people and block others from leveling/getting items. Not everyone is a stone cold mother fucker like me, so not everyone can handle this. My middle name however is 'get shit done' so I can cope with the zerg of bads that need to band together in order to accomplish anything here.

Hate to admit it but Wormocht was right back in April. This server should have been teams to negate the regulars of Holocaust from destroying, yet again, another pvp server. One that will realistically be the last attempt at classic EQ pvp.

[Doors]

Also epics got released on blue the day Nihilum got fucking smashed in solb and sapped like 15-20 people away.

[inimegalg]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll tell ya why population is lower.

Anybody with 70 iq or above can understand.

Everything else being equal, PvP massively slows down progression on the red server. Like it or not, progression is the bread and butter of RPGs. PvPers like to talk smack and pretend they're in an alternate universe. But they're not. Players come here to this red server and find that they're getting their a** handed to them by others and their experience bar keeps going backwards. They note that they level up faster on blue and ask themselves WTF are they wasting their time on this red server for if not for some sort of reward? Where is the risk AND reward if the red server is too heavily leaning towards risk? It's out of balance.

The "risks" on this pvp server (everything else being equal):
1) You die in pvp and lose experience
2) You get killed by other players; not just NPCs
3) You're anon and others cannot see your level/class; to protect yourself
4) More often than not, you do not group with other guilds; again, to protect yourself

The rewards:
1) In theory, PvPers feel PvP is the only reward they need

The problem is that PvPers cannot survive solely on killing other players. Furthermore, a lot of players join pvp-servers with PvE in mind. In fact, industry-wide, most players are PvE, not PvP.

Boost the reward and it will get better. Must compensate for increased risk.

Just imagine that the red server is a much more difficult zone than the normal blue zones. The creatures inside are as smart as humans and even grief. To compensate for the increased difficulty, the developers increase the reward by upping the experience rate or some other progression-related variable (like named spawn rate).

Not sure if serious? Red had a 25% xp bonus for over a week, pop didn't increase by much, if anything went down more... and for all that said it was the holiday's.. we were at 160 pop about an hr ago and its jan 3rd.

[fiegi]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server population sucks for a lot of reasons but mainly because of:

No global ooc
Means no groups for lowbies
No yellow text
Free for all PvP rules

But the main reason the server suffers is actually Holocaust. Here's a group of people that have been playing together for years on pvp servers and the majority of them are known cheaters, users of Showeq, mq, etc. Their sole objective here is to grief other people and block others from leveling/getting items. Not everyone is a stone cold mother fucker like me, so not everyone can handle this. My middle name however is 'get shit done' so I can cope with the zerg of bads that need to band together in order to accomplish anything here.

Hate to admit it but Wormocht was right back in April. This server should have been teams to negate the regulars of Holocaust from destroying, yet again, another pvp server. One that will realistically be the last attempt at classic EQ pvp.

We would be banned then bro if this were the case.

Move along

[Doors]

In the past you actually have been, so thanks for reinforcing what I have claimed.

[fiegi]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In the past you actually have been, so thanks for reinforcing what I have claimed.

Nope never have been banned before or know of any holocaust member that I have been playing with since Live have either

Just better players.

Move along

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by fiegi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope never have been banned before.

Move along

Well some holocaust members have been punished for hacks on past servers, that's just a fact. Like Acarer who was suspended on blue99 for two weeks.

[fiegi]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well some holocaust members have been punished for hacks on past servers, that's just a fact. Like Acarer who was suspended on blue99 for two weeks.

Don't even know who that is to be honest. And i'm sure i'm in the low % who have never been banned on any server. My orignal reply was saying if ppl were hacking in the guild they would of been caught by Rogeans shit.