Cleaning Up Our Collective Act

[mrgoochio]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe awareness is the issue? I know that most of the GMs are good people who have reason to dislike bigots, so I doubt it is from a lackadaisical attitude to bigotry.

I hereby pledge to help change this. Every time someone uses a bigoted term I am going to report it by using the ! in the top right corner, file a petition post in the petition forum, and start a thread in rants and flames calling them out.

If I am not alone, and others do this sort of thing as well, I think we can force the issue enough to where people will see bans happening, and just cut it the fuck out.

i salute you and award you +1 internets!

[mudvayne1812]

^^ Good, thought so =)

[isitatomic]

1.)

Originally Posted by Otto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

AKA I gave up and so should you =P

Originally Posted by Shannacore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If only. Will never happen.
I wish!

Originally Posted by kevincheese [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the internet.

Originally Posted by vaire100 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The phenomenon should just simply be ignored like in real life.

Actually, I tend to make use of my spine and confront people and issues, not shrivel when they get hard (lol omg).

2.)

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're a full grown adult and get riled up by tasteless "humor" or speech in general, you've got a rough life ahead of you.

I really don't care whether or not that language hurts your feelings, because if it does... you need to stop being a pussy.

<3

My post has nothing to do with "tasteless humor or speech in general". You're putting a strawman in my mouth and that's L-A-M-E. And so, allow me to reciprocate: You have just called Nilbog a pussy

3.)

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that most of the GMs are good people who have reason to dislike bigots, so I doubt it is from a lackadaisical attitude to bigotry.

I hereby pledge to help change this. Every time someone uses a bigoted term I am going to report it by using the ! in the top right corner, file a petition post in the petition forum, and start a thread in rants and flames calling them out.

Word, sounds productive. No surprise that GMs haven't jumped on the chance to lurk the boards in search of severely ignorant bullshit to filter while their server is continuously nerd raged upon.

4.)

Can't believe how successful Kanor has been at trolling around as a stereotypical gay dude. Gratz, I guess.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by isitatomic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Word, sounds productive. No surprise that GMs haven't jumped on the chance to lurk the boards in search of severely ignorant bullshit to filter while their server is continuously nerd raged upon.

Yeah, pretty much.

Also, if people want to bring bigots to my attention, I will be the asshole and make public call out posts. Just privately petition/report them, then send me a PM with a link, and I will report, petition, and make a RnF about them being bigots.

[Elendae]

The anonymity of the internet has bred some downright hateful shit and I don't think it's simply a matter of "lawl ignore it dude/dudette". Most of us are probably rather thick-skinned when it comes to certain slurs/jokes, but I'd be pretty mortified at some of the things said on here if I hadn't known what to expect. (not to mention if I found my younger brother reading some of these posts)

[JaVeDK]

While I agree with the OP, I've come to the conclusion that there is just no way of changing this, so you might as well try to live with it.

I'm extremely disappointed in the trolling and general level of rudeness mainly on these boards, but to a certain degree also in game. My expectations were that very few who never played the original EQ would be drawn to this project, and thus the average age would be well over 25. My hopes were that this would create a much more mature environment/atmosphere with no, or very few, immature selfish jerks - like you find in abundance in most other online games.

Needless to say, that is not the case.

[jilena]

Maybe I have just been doing "the online thing" for too long. I have long since reached the point where words in the general sense no longer offend me. I am not saying I am immune to having my feelings hurt or my buttons pushed, but it will be the intent of the individual saying the things that bother me rather than the words themselves.

I can watch people call each other jews, faggots, ******s, pussies, spics, crackers, nerds, pedos, losers, fat basement dwelling jobless retards, whatever without feeling the need to call my local congressman and tell him what's what. Typically the intent on the internet is a combination of harmless poking of fun combined with anonimity opening up the vocabulary most people look around the room before using IRL. Am I saying this is classy and should be encouraged? Hardly. I'm not gonna have a little cry over it though. I can watch Finawin call half the forum pussies without finding myself offended that someone would imply the inferiority of women (or cats) by using such terminology...

These words by themselves and their use in a general sense may not be held in the best regard, but I think the alternative of censoring everything that might offend someone is much worse. Where do you draw the line? Some people are offended by sexuality, some people bathroom humor, some religion, etc. Shall we dumb all conversation down to the point that there is no flavor or substance and everyone spends more time trying not to offend anyone than they do actually saying anything? I bet even then someone would still be offended.

My opinion changes when words become directed toward someone with the deliberate intent of hurting that person. People being called fat who have a weight problem, people being picked on for their race or sexual preferences, etc etc. The point where it becomes directed insults or even harassment it becomes something different all together. This I believe should be discouraged and fought as needed. This is a fairly friendly place for the most part and no one deserves to be singled out and abused. I tend to avoid namecalling myself as most forum denizens really need little to no help in making themselves look ridiculous. That's not to say I am above a little trolling for personal amusement.

Of course all of these opinions are moot (yes not mute jc so many people say this) as this is a privately owned/operated forum and server and those in charge and those they deputize can mete out justice and drop the banhammer where they see fit.

TL;DR - Down with censorship; Harassment = Bad; Sticks and stones my friend; P99/EQEMU = NOT a democracy.

I forget anything?

[Grento]

Originally Posted by jilena [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe I have just been doing "the online thing" for too long. I have long since reached the point where words in the general sense no longer offend me. I am not saying I am immune to having my feelings hurt or my buttons pushed, but it will be the intent of the individual saying the things that bother me rather than the words themselves.

I can watch people call each other jews, faggots, ******s, pussies, spics, crackers, nerds, pedos, losers, fat basement dwelling jobless retards, whatever without feeling the need to call my local congressman and tell him what's what. Typically the intent on the internet is a combination of harmless poking of fun combined with anonimity opening up the vocabulary most people look around the room before using IRL. Am I saying this is classy and should be encouraged? Hardly. I'm not gonna have a little cry over it though. I can watch Finawin call half the forum pussies without finding myself offended that someone would imply the inferiority of women (or cats) by using such terminology...

These words by themselves and their use in a general sense may not be held in the best regard, but I think the alternative of censoring everything that might offend someone is much worse. Where do you draw the line? Some people are offended by sexuality, some people bathroom humor, some religion, etc. Shall we dumb all conversation down to the point that there is no flavor or substance and everyone spends more time trying not to offend anyone than they do actually saying anything? I bet even then someone would still be offended.

My opinion changes when words become directed toward someone with the deliberate intent of hurting that person. People being called fat who have a weight problem, people being picked on for their race or sexual preferences, etc etc. The point where it becomes directed insults or even harassment it becomes something different all together. This I believe should be discouraged and fought as needed. This is a fairly friendly place for the most part and no one deserves to be singled out and abused. I tend to avoid namecalling myself as most forum denizens really need little to no help in making themselves look ridiculous. That's not to say I am above a little trolling for personal amusement.

Of course all of these opinions are moot (yes not mute jc so many people say this) as this is a privately owned/operated forum and server and those in charge and those they deputize can mete out justice and drop the banhammer where they see fit.

TL;DR - Down with censorship; Harassment = Bad; Sticks and stones my friend; P99/EQEMU = NOT a democracy.

I forget anything?

I agree to some extent but my problem isn't the content. It's the fact that rules are being broken and nothing is being done about it. You can't expect a large group of people to follow the rules if they know that some are OK to break without repercussion. MMO's generally have a very large population of people that look for any way to get ahead, this means taking advantage of gray areas and walking the line between what will get you banned and what will get you a slap on the wrist.

I like this server and I want it to have a large diverse population, that is not going to happen if people see they can break rules.

[jilena]

Originally Posted by Grento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree to some extent but my problem isn't the content. It's the fact that rules are being broken and nothing is being done about it. You can't expect a large group of people to follow the rules if they know that some are OK to break without repercussion. MMO's generally have a very large population of people that look for any way to get ahead, this means taking advantage of gray areas and walking the line between what will get you banned and what will get you a slap on the wrist.

I like this server and I want it to have a large diverse population, that is not going to happen if people see they can break rules.

Well kinda going back to what I said in my longer post, I think if people are constantly being harassed and nothing is done (and this is not the case) then I see this as being bad. There being a blanket rule that you should avoid saying overly offensive things I think is more in place to avoid people getting way out of control. I don't think the intended purpose is to stop people from playfully calling each other "fags" in the rants and flames forum.

I dunno...

[Gwence]

I like this server and I want it to have a large diverse population

No Canadians PLEASE for the love of god NO CANADIANS!!!!!