An Open Letter To Aruden

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me, do you expect people to discuss the merits of a word defined in a dictionary or discuss the event that people associate with the word?

they're going to use the word however they want to use the word. the most common interpretations are going to gradually filter to the top of search results. also, logic is hard.

[Aadill]

PS if you are actually wanting to argue by starting namecalling that's cool. I just fail to see why people are so willing to stand by some sort of political correctness when it is their own emotion that leads them to miscommunication in discourse. Holocaust is not a bad word. A guild named Holocaust does not make them Anti-Semitic. A guild named Gestapo would raise my eyebrow and probably result in a denial. I don't even know what the original thread was and I probably don't give a shit because the guy ended up being a whiny shitheel about it, but the point stands: you are assigning definition and emotion to a word usage that is unrelated.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS if you are actually wanting to argue by starting namecalling that's cool. I just fail to see why people are so willing to stand by some sort of political correctness when it is their own emotion that leads them to miscommunication in discourse. Holocaust is not a bad word. A guild named Holocaust does not make them Anti-Semitic. A guild named Gestapo would raise my eyebrow and probably result in a denial. I don't even know what the original thread was and I probably don't give a shit because the guy ended up being a whiny shitheel about it, but the point stands: you are assigning definition and emotion to a word usage that is unrelated.

every time a Japanese person hears the word adam and thinks of atom they cry, thus no one can be named Adam in Japan.

[Aadill]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

they're going to use the word however they want to use the word. the most common interpretations are going to gradually filter to the top of search results.

alright let's put that into the scope of the situation here:

The people in the Holocaust guild are not labeling themselves as anti-Semitic. They are using their interpretation of the word. Aruden made a dumb post in which 50 people that voted against the guild name are using another interpretation of the word.

Tyrrany of majority through feigned ignorance or misperception.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

However, there is no good use of the word ******, other than to speak of it's use, which accomplishes the above. Any other use of the term is meant to be offensive to all black people, de facto, by the very nature of the word, and the context which it has acquired.

So do we have to verify that we're black IRL to be able to use the word without being a racist?

[Autotune]

the word ****** was around before it was used on Africans. I will not let the Jews take holocaust like Africans took ******.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

alright let's put that into the scope of the situation here:

The people in the Holocaust guild are not labeling themselves as anti-Semitic. They are using their interpretation of the word. Aruden made a dumb post in which 50 people that voted against the guild name are using another interpretation of the word.

Tyrrany of majority through feigned ignorance or misperception.

that's not how it works. the majority of people in the states are not black, but we still confine some words like '******' to certain arenas of discussion. it's not that most people find the word offensive, it's that any civilized society protects its minorities out of its collective sense of moral justice.

i can't claim a word for my own use. i am a slave to however the word is most commonly used. i can't make a guild with the word "coon" in it for the same reason. sure, i can mean a raccoon. who cares? i could mean whever i wanted, the word can be easily interpreted with racist connotation and thus is simply not appropriate for guild naming conventions. once again, we're not talking about free speech in public discourse, we're talking about a fucking troll guild on an emulated pvp server. i would not allow the name just to avoid controversies like this that could reach beyond the scope of the server (and already have).

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS if you are actually wanting to argue by starting namecalling that's cool.

Holocaust and The Holocaust are not the same and anyone who thinks they are is part of the problem.

You started this, I'm just taking out the trash. I'm part of the problem? get real. your rhetoric sounds like talking points from oreilly.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's not how it works. the majority of people in the states are not black, but we still confine some words like '******' to certain arenas of discussion. it's not that most people find the word offensive, it's that any civilized society protects its minorities out of its collective sense of moral justice.

i can't claim a word for my own use. i am a slave to however the word is most commonly used. i can't make a guild with the word "coon" in it for the same reason. sure, i can mean a raccoon. who cares? i could mean whever i wanted, the word can be easily interpreted with racist connotation and thus is simply not appropriate for guild naming conventions. once again, we're not talking about free speech in public discourse, we're talking about a fucking troll guild on an emulated pvp server. i would not allow the name just to avoid controversies like this that could reach beyond the scope of the server (and already have).

holocaust isn't shortened, it is what it is.

Coon is short for raccoon, mostly to be used as a racial slur.

holocaust is not a racial slur in any shape form or fashion. Slave trade would be more appropriate in comparison. Slave trading was also around before the Africans were traded.

fuck off.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

holocaust isn't shortened, it is what it is.

Coon is short for raccoon, mostly to be used as a racial slur.

holocaust is not a racial slur in any shape form or fashion. Slave trade would be more appropriate in comparison. Slave trading was also around before the Africans were traded.

fuck off.

"The Holocaust" is not a racial slur in any shape form or fashion, but it is commonly accepted that a guild name specifically referring to the Judeocide is unquestionably inappropriate. The only issue is whether "Holocaust" and "The Holocaust" are the same. your comparison is invalid.