The Dot Stack Thread *TM

[Lovely]

I give up, you're doing retarded comparisons again that makes no sense at all. A DPS class VS A SUPPORT CLASS.

The way you compare things is if we're raiding a fkin Dragon on a PVE server. You're even using PVE damage and not PVP damage and finally I don't know how 1120 Ice comet is 1.2k and not 1.1k. Maybe that's how you round up things in the US i dunno.

Finally you still haven't proved anything at all that Shaman dots stacked in Classic.

[Jotok]

Shaman DoTs did stack in classic

[Salty]

Druid dots not stacking is annoying as fuck.

Druid stuns being outdoor only is annoying as fuck too.

[Jotok]

Here is Blart from classic RZ talking about PvP during the early days. He talks about stacking dots on people.

http://www.notacult.com/guide_trollshaman.html

If there are people out looking for you, it should be assumed they are prepared with generic magic/fire/cold resistances. When attacking prepared opponents, go with disease debuffs, disease spells and direct damage. If they are resisting the disease spell, keep slamming away at the disease debuff – it’s fast casting and will eventually stick on even the most resistant players. Below level 40, few players have good poison resist, so you may want to give poison a shot as well. At level 50, I like to stack two disease dots on them (scourge + plague).

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Jotok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is Blart from classic RZ talking about PvP during the early days. He talks about stacking dots on people.

http://www.notacult.com/guide_trollshaman.html

If there are people out looking for you, it should be assumed they are prepared with generic magic/fire/cold resistances. When attacking prepared opponents, go with disease debuffs, disease spells and direct damage. If they are resisting the disease spell, keep slamming away at the disease debuff – it’s fast casting and will eventually stick on even the most resistant players. Below level 40, few players have good poison resist, so you may want to give poison a shot as well. At level 50, I like to stack two disease dots on them (scourge + plague).

confirmed

[Lovely]

It's a guide made several years after Classic. He even states so himself in the guide

[XiakenjaTZ]

I think the general consensus is that on live in classic:

Shamans could stake poison with poison and disease with disease.
Necros and Druids could not.

[Salty]

Originally Posted by Lovely [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a guide made several years after Classic. He even states so himself in the guide

not confirmed

[Castle]

Keto keto.. where do I start.

This isn't a court room. Devs don't have to prove anything to you. Claiming the Devs are wrong by pointing out forum posts from a different era than the server is intended to exist makes for a very weak argument.

It's their server they can do what they want, no doubt. I'm glad they have taken charge and made an awesome server. I won't be quiet though if it's clear as day. So my evidence from 1 month after velious' release (which will be part of the era this server was intended for) is less relevant than the patch they cite that is 1.5 years after my source sometime in Luclin (an era we will never reach.) The point is multiple sources, from an earlier date say one thing. The patch they cite does not contradict this; only their vague application of what the patch says to something it doesn't mention. If the patch or some other EQ Dev source clearly said Shaman DoTs didn't stack, fine. That's not the case.

I would say that if you want to prove the issue decisively than find posts which are dated pre-Kunark and try again.

Once again, the burden of proof is on YOU. I'm showing you the earliest posts we have, thus far. To contradict these, you must find later posts that note a change that clearly indicate in prior to the time of the posts I found things were different, or find an earlier post that clearly state things were different. I won't prove your point for you. Coming at this subject unbiasly, you go to the most accurate and earliest evidence. That is the evidence I have provided.

Especially when it is in direct conflict with how the majority of this forum remembers classic.

??? Real posts from the era > our memories. I will leave you with an Uthgaard (Dev) quote.

Originally Posted by Uthgaard

No one posted a single thing about the dots stacking when they shouldn't have. No one posts about anything that gives them an advantage. But when it's a disadvantage, the forums get spammed with 'but I remember this!'

Lovely, sure overall Shamans are beefy. I am simply stating their DPS doesn't come close to Wizards.

Jotok, ace. How many final nails do we gotta hammer in this cofin? Shit...

[keto]

Lets be clear here, I'm not arguing AGAINST Shaman DoT stacking nor trying to attack you. I am merely trying to coach you into making a better argument to the Dev team. Jotok definitely wins for the being the first person to provide some meaningful information from classic, kudos.