OCCUPY WALLSTREET!

[MrSparkle001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact of the matter is that they have a very specific, precise message: we will no longer be ruled by wealth. So where did their protests start? In the exact location where the most money in the world exchanges hands daily on the backs of the American workers.

I know they have a message, and I agree with it. But there's a lot of people there who harm the entire effort. The ones who camp out there do more harm than good.

There are reasons they are unemployed. There are reasons they cannot afford to pay back their student loans. And they're tired of it.

There certainly are reasons. Have you seen them? What kind of job do you expect to get when you look like that? I'm talking the hippies. I'd hire them to work the graveyard shift at a warehouse for $10/hr, but that's about it. I wouldn't even hire them for $10/hr security. You aren't exactly gonna get rich sitting in a park playing bongos and hacky sack.

The job market is tough, which means you have to present yourself better. Nice haircut, nice smile, professional demeanor, nice clothing etc. You wanna be a hippie? Be prepared to live the hippie life, and don't complain that you don't have a job or money.

(THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE HIPPIES, who unfortunately are the ones that stand out and ruin the chances of the protests accomplishing anything)

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stopped here. You understand that per polling of Boston and Wall Street protestors that one half of one percent has ever received any form of education beyond High School?

Proof? Or just more regurgitated bullshit?

Originally Posted by MrSparkle001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There certainly are reasons. Have you seen them? What kind of job do you expect to get when you look like that? I'm talking the hippies. I'd hire them to work the graveyard shift at a warehouse for $10/hr, but that's about it. I wouldn't even hire them for $10/hr security. You aren't exactly gonna get rich sitting in a park playing bongos and hacky sack.

The job market is tough, which means you have to present yourself better. Nice haircut, nice smile, professional demeanor, nice clothing etc. You wanna be a hippie? Be prepared to live the hippie life, and don't complain that you don't have a job or money.

(THIS ONLY APPLIES TO THOSE HIPPIES, who unfortunately are the ones that stand out and ruin the chances of the protests accomplishing anything)

I'm sorry, but not everybody who has a problem with the government is a hippie, and if you think that they're the only ones protesting, you're being lied to and you're buying it. You just sound like you have prejudices against the poor, have them all lumped into one category, and refer to them with a demeaning euphemism to make yourself feel better about your bigotry.

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact of the matter is that they have a very specific, precise message: we will no longer be ruled by wealth.

So your position is that it makes sense to group together in the middle of cities and yell " WE DON'T LIKE THIS" or "WE DON'T LIKE THAT" and have no solution and do nothing other than yell to fix whatever it is you don't like?

You say that they have a definite position: what are their definite plans of action?

Have you bothered to look at who is funding the busing of these air-heads all over the country? Have you bothered to listen to the definite agendas of said parties?

These people are "useful idiots." The people that are sending them food, busing them, and providing their website are communists and/or part of the "1 percent" they supposedly despise so much. They are looking to trade one billionaire bogeyman for another, and hoping to get a better result. And yes, I've heard them speak with my own ears. I don't need a media filter to tell me they are some fresh new wind of change or a bunch of smelly retards.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your position is that it makes sense to group together in the middle of cities and yell " WE DON'T LIKE THIS" or "WE DON'T LIKE THAT" and have no solution and do nothing other than yell to fix whatever it is you don't like?

You say that they have a definite position: what are their definite plans of action?

Have you bothered to look at who is funding the busing of these air-heads all over the country? Have you bothered to listen to the definite agendas of said parties?

These people are "useful idiots." The people that are sending them food, busing them, and providing their website are communists and/or part of the "1 percent" they supposedly despise so much. They are looking to trade one billionaire bogeyman for another, and hoping to get a better result. And yes, I've heard them speak with my own ears. I don't need a media filter to tell me they are some fresh new wind of change or a bunch of smelly retards.

a mob always has a solution in mind, even if none of them admit it when asked. the french have a holiday devoted to this solution called "bastille day."

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your position is that it makes sense to group together in the middle of cities and yell " WE DON'T LIKE THIS" or "WE DON'T LIKE THAT" and have no solution and do nothing other than yell to fix whatever it is you don't like?

Is it a coincidence that the middle of the city often also contains things like court houses, capital buildings, city halls, police stations, banks and other govern/econo-centric buildings?

Or maybe they had some kind of strategy and forethought to congregating there that you're just disregarding because it doesn't match your view of the situation.

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You say that they have a definite position: what are their definite plans of action?

Just because they don't presently have a written plan to fix the last 200 years of crooked politics in America doesn't make them wrong, and it doesn't mean that they couldn't develop one given appropriate time and resources. But you're asking them to put the cart before the horse here and then discrediting them because they can't. Did the US have an exit strategy before they toppled the government in Iraq? Did the Egyptians have their new plan for government set in stone before they toppled Mubarak? That kind of stuff comes after the revolution.

Originally Posted by Hoggen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

communists

More words historically given negative connotations with no real reason for them to be bad. Do you even know what communism means? Using this word only amplifies that you don't know what you're talking about and you're just regurgitating what you heard Rush say on the way to work this morning.

[Vohl]

Originally Posted by Hoggen

The people that are sending them food, busing them, and providing their website are communists and/or part of the "1 percent" they supposedly despise so much.

I'm not, nor are those I've seen doing the same. I'm starting to doubt that you've actually talked to them. Anyone decrying socialists or communists is indicating very clearly where they're getting their point of view.

[azeth]

I can't speak for Hoggen, but I personally have no issue with the demographic as a whole nor an issue with them "occupying" my spot on the sidewalk.

If anything, I'm just disgusted that THESE IDIOTS are representing values and opinions that I agree with.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

values and opinions that I agree with.

Then. Start. Acting. Like. It.

[Hoggen]

Originally Posted by pickled_heretic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a mob always has a solution in mind, even if none of them admit it when asked. the french have a holiday devoted to this solution called "bastille day."

Murder is certainly a solution. If you look at the results of the French Revolution, you'll find that it solved none of their problems. They traded monarchy for Napoleon with millions dying in between. Eventually, people got tired of killing and war and they settled back into just living, but to say that the killing was a "solution" is a poor choice of semantics. It was an eruption with no clear goal other than to punish "someone" for the misery the mob experienced. They traded one government that caused misery for another that caused misery, followed by another that led to even greater misery.

The mob was manipulated by individuals that craved power. That many of these would-be leaders were themselves eventually guillotined doesn't change the fact that mobs are mindless, and even when they have legitimate grievances, or actually do something correct accidentally, they are not moved by reason or intellect. They literally have nothing in mind, only an emotional imbalance that demands action to reach equilibrium.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then. Start. Acting. Like. It.

bro "acting like it" is asking serious questions of yourself and of like-minded others.

start. doing. it.

Did you know that in EverQuest's ALPHA period in late 1998/early 1999, that the Monk class's ability "Mend" was actually their version of Bind Wound, and could be used as frequently as any non-monk could use Bind Wound.

It took a tester literally leveling a monk to lvl 30 in Alpha (we're talking zone floors that are 100% transparent at the time) to identify this would be OP.

He took the time to do this because he asked a serious question of himself and peers.