TenTonHammer: Everquest Hacking

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by DoucLangur [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never understood why that wasn't implemented by SOE except due to the "don't care" attitude that we have learned to love so much.

It's absurd for SOE to cry poverty, that the resources to address hacking are not available. Red99 does it by way of volunteer efforts. At any point, SOE could have formed a committee of active players and given them access to logs to prove who was cheating... not give them power to take any action but allow them to do the grunt work of CONFIRMING what suspicious character actions were the result of hacking. This might have happened if SOE cared about anything but getting their next transaction (i.e. expansion). But this shows why SOE are really bad business people. Because they're chasing chump change whereas making their game legit would attract far more paying customers, and thus more long term revenue than their next expansion bought by a handful of players who still care.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's absurd for SOE to cry poverty, that the resources to address hacking are not available. Red99 does it by way of volunteer efforts. At any point, SOE could have formed a committee of active players and given them access to logs to prove who was cheating... not give them power to take any action but allow them to do the grunt work of CONFIRMING what suspicious character actions were the result of hacking. This might have happened if SOE cared about anything but getting their next transaction (i.e. expansion). But this shows why SOE are really bad business people. Because they're chasing chump change whereas making their game legit would attract far more paying customers, and thus more long term revenue than their next expansion bought by a handful of players who still care.

The problem is on live the only people left are the cheaters. WOW polices their shit, if you want to cheat play EQ.

Don't bitch too much about live allowing cheaters, P99 did the same thing when a large portion of their player base was caught hacking. Looked the other way.

[Kevlar]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That is a straw man and factually incorrect. The number of people in TR and TMO that were banned as a % of the total number of bans is far lower than the percentage of the active server population those guilds make up on a day to day basis.

All that means is you guys had a bunch of unguilded alts.

[Softcore PK]

It's interesting to read this stuff. Did not know Rogean and team were limited in some ways by law. And now I know why I sometimes get "Warp detected" messages when I gate in the same zone as my bind, or just at random times.

Thank you so much, Rogean and friends. As a former live pvp player, hacking was one of the serious problems that contributed greatly to me giving up on EQ. Obviously it won't be eliminated entirely, but thanks to your efforts I'm sure many would-be hackers opt to play legitimately. Your work really is appreciated [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[knottyb0y]

But what about the theory that SOE doesn't want to stop hackers as it would mean fewer paying accounts, thus less revenue? I asked Thom about this.

"Wow," Thom responded. "I think that's pretty far-fetched. I have never heard anyone here ever say anything like that," he continued emphatically. "There's never any context of money in association with not fixing an issue

When I read that portion of the article (page 2 of the part 3) I almost fell out of my chair. Any software company that says they do not take money in to context when fixing an issue is a telling a lie. Every decision made on which bugs to fix, which issues to address, whether to crank out a new expansion or fix/ban cheating are ALL based on money. Unless cheaters begin to affect the subscription numbers of EQLive handily (and likely not to happen if the stories of hackers using 8-15 characters simultaneously are true) the issue will always be on the back burner.

This is one fortunate issue with P1999. Since it is not a subscription based service decisions can be made for the good of the community without having to first check with stakeholders and the affect on the money gained.

[Tarathiel]

arguing on a gm created thread? ya'll are dumber than i thought

[Shiftin]

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[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Shiftin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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lol

[SyanideGas]

P99 team does a lot better than sony with this shit in my opinion lol.

[Mcbard]

I've never cheated on P99 but being bored as hell and having no VP to raid makes me want to. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]