Poll item looting or no?

[Spud]

Since i'm one of those guys who played on RZ 11 years ago, I'd like to see item loot. I want the chance to be able to loot an FBSS off some poor guy, I want to take my melees on the pilgrimage to Lower Guk to get some bad ass NO DROP shin armor like I remember doing in the old days.

I haven't played on any of the emu PVP servers so I'll admit I have no idea what it takes to make a good emu PVP server. I understand what you guys are saying how item loot unbalances PvP against melees, could scare away potential blues etc. EverQuest PvP was by no means perfect on live servers (lol), I'm sure there are many ways PvP could be improved, so I'm open to whatever system we end up going with. However, I would like to see some sort of item loot in place because it's just fun. Who gives a shit if you loose some platinum. You kill and NPC you loot something, you kill a PC you should loot something!

Let's make a compromise since it was different on all the classic pvp servers, I don't see why we can't design our own item loot system similar to the Altergate method that Rushmore suggested. Maybe find away so people's manastones will be safe like Pudge suggested.

[Humerox]

Nilbog voted for item loot...sooooooo....

help the melees out a bit tho wit the unequipped thing...

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[Spud]

Originally Posted by Foxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

cant wait to see people getting destroyed by naked wizards. going to be lols

if we make it so gear isn't lootable (only invetory stuffs) this won't be problem.

[greatdane]

I haven't played on any of the emu PVP servers so I'll admit I have no idea what it takes to make a good emu PVP server.

The #1 most important thing is population, and itemloot ensures a significantly lower population than non-itemloot. It's not guaranteed that an itemloot server would have a population so low that the server isn't playable, but we also have to be realistic - more than 300-400ish players is highly unlikely, and if itemloot cuts that in half, we'd approach critical mass. Look how completely dead and pointless blue99 is in the morning when there's like 200 people online. Itemloot stacks the problems on top of each other - not only does it become almost prohibitively difficult to play melee and even more appealing to play necro/magician/druid (which is already like 50% of blue99's pop), it also ensures a lower population which is what harms melee players the most as they won't be able to level consistently. VZTZ was considered hugely popular and it had what, 100-200ish at its peak? That was with two-boxing. If we have 300+ without itemloot or 200ish with itemloot, then that's gonna be something like 100 or 50 during euro times. We do want a server that's popular enough that we can actually play the game outside a 4-hour US-centric peak timespan. The original Zek servers had thousands of players, so comparison is kind of futile.

[Rushmore]

No it would be omg he took my tanking bp. Or my dual wield weapon... Or the mage just looted something he cant equip and you get a chance to loot it

[Tajin]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What is there to be said about them, for the vast majority they're useless even with item loot. 2ac ring fuck yea ice cometed and one shotted.

Item loot = may as well just name the server Casterquest99

play better bro.... whats the point of pvp all together than ... casters will always be better than melee

[Tajin]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The #1 most important thing is population, and itemloot ensures a significantly lower population than non-itemloot. It's not guaranteed that an itemloot server would have a population so low that the server isn't playable, but we also have to be realistic - more than 300-400ish players is highly unlikely, and if itemloot cuts that in half, we'd approach critical mass. Look how completely dead and pointless blue99 is in the morning when there's like 200 people online. Itemloot stacks the problems on top of each other - not only does it become almost prohibitively difficult to play melee and even more appealing to play necro/magician/druid (which is already like 50% of blue99's pop), it also ensures a lower population which is what harms melee players the most as they won't be able to level consistently. VZTZ was considered hugely popular and it had what, 100-200ish at its peak? That was with two-boxing. If we have 300+ without itemloot or 200ish with itemloot, then that's gonna be something like 100 or 50 during euro times. We do want a server that's popular enough that we can actually play the game outside a 4-hour US-centric peak timespan. The original Zek servers had thousands of players, so comparison is kind of futile.

i can say that too... i will veto the server w/o item loot.... and i know 1092039 more people who will do the same

[greatdane]

play better bro.... whats the point of pvp all together than ... casters will always be better than melee

What a waterproof argument!

[Tajin]

Nilbog.... keep item loot on, its ur server!! All the other pussies against it can go play vztz box 6.0

[Tajin]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a waterproof argument!

yes, i just dont understand why people wouldnt want item loot.... for fuck sakes ur taking someones items. Why do people assume population will suck??? The whole EMU community knows this server will already be the end all be all of pvp servers. With that knowledge we already know the server is going to be overpopulated, itemloot or not.