Are you going to quit because of cheaters?

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who defends the stealth inclusion of those files is a serious asskisser, or an absolute moron. Why don't you go ahead and let your government install cameras in your house . . .I mean, if you're not breaking any laws, it doesn't matter, right? Hell, let some random person you don't know do the same thing, it's all good brah!

The stealth inclusion of these files? Rofl. You download the fucking patch files and place them in your directory at your own risk. It's not like they ninja-installed them on you. Why do you do so? I'd assume because you:

A) Want to play here
B) Trust the integrity of the server
C) Trust the motives of those running it

It was pretty common fucking knowledge that they were working on anti-hack detection methods. Want to know what would have happened if they released those files and put a big disclaimer slapped across them saying "HEY GUISE WE CAN SEE WHAT PROGRAMS YOU ARE HOOKING INTO EQGAME.EXE WHEN U RUN THIS" ?? People would have stopped hacking. But not permanently. They would have stopped hacking long enough to find a work-around, then continued to hack again undetected anyways.

Nilbog, Rogean and Co. made a judgement call and I applaud them for it. You trust them enough that you play on their server. You trust them enough to know the IP you are connecting from. You trust them enough to send and receive data packets from the game application and their website. So why would you not trust their motives when it comes to a .dll file meant to out the people hacking that they'd not be able to with standard server-side detection methods?

You're pretty fucking naive or blatantly ignorant to believe they would have done anything else with that .dll, to face SEVERE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS over a service they provide you ungrateful shits FOR FREE. I find it outrageously convenient that THREE HUNDRED some people / accounts got busted then all of a sudden there is this vocal "uproar". Haters gonna hate I suppose. You get outted or what bro? Suspended / deleveled and this personal crusade is your way to cover for it? Seems logical I suppose.

Let me ask you something, since you're so upset over your privacy. Have you ever played WoW? Any other modern MMOs or online games? Most modern online game clients incorporate anti-hacking methods similar if not identical to what that .dll does that EverQuest simply does not use. Yet millions of people play them anyways without even knowing or giving second thought to it. If there was a nice big EULA specifically telling you that they were looking at the files affecting the game client, would that somehow make you feel better about it? Are you that mentally inept that you need a textual security blanket to wrap yourself up in? They aren't scanning your precious secret data. They are calling the file locations of things that are hooking INTO eqgame.exe - so unless you are hooking things that shouldn't be there in the first place, what's the big fucking deal?

Now, with that said - I do agree it's pretty fucking two-faced to have banned anyone in the past for using these things, then to find out 30% + of your active population was using it, so you slap them on the wrist and carry on business as usual

[mimixownzall]

****JUST PLAYING DEVIL'S ADVOCATE****

When you play those other games, you are aware they are there. Or, at the least, hit an agreement which, if you read it before hitting accept, tells you about the anti-cheat software.

Me not being a cheater (on p99), I don't care what crap they hide as long as they don't mess with stuff outside of EQ.

[Taryth]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

blah blah blah

Game company that can be held legally liable for any damages or invasions of privacy != random people on the Internet who've created an emu server. Two completely different things, so stop trying to make that comparison. Did you ever consider other people exploiting the .dll, or the server that stores all the data it collected from everyone? It's not necessarily the server staff that concerns me most.

I didn't say they installed it without my permission, I said "stealth inclusion of these files." Stealth, as in they didn't disclose their full purpose at the time of publishing. Idiot.

And no, I don't want to play here if the server management is going to make this kind of move, and doubly so for not using the data that was collected for any meaningful punishment. If you're fine with having someone violate your trust, regardless of the severity of the risks, that's fine. I don't like people acting on my behalf, or on my property, without my permission and understanding.


And guess what? Now they'll hack again . . .in a week or so! Because they'll find a workaround, just like they would've if the whole situation would've been upfront in the first place. The only difference is a lot less accounts would've gotten wrist-slaps. Oh noes. Back again to not punishing after taking such a stupid, rash action. There really is no defending that.

[Taryth]

also, go fuck yourself, I wasn't suspended, but that's very original of you to suggest such just because I disagree. Really intelligent.


I actually logged in today and yesterday to hand my gear out to people. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Slathar]

i dont have any desire to play anymore since the server is being abused by a certain person so they may live out their best guild fantasy 12 years late.

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Game company that can be held legally liable for any damages or invasions of privacy != random people on the Internet who've created an emu server. Two completely different things, so stop trying to make that comparison. Did you ever consider other people exploiting the .dll, or the server that stores all the data it collected from everyone? It's not necessarily the server staff that concerns me most.

As compared to people over the internet.... that have their REAL LIFE INFORMATION attached to this project in multiple ways... Just because they aren't a "game company" means we can't hold them legally liable for damage they cause? Are you really THIS fucking stupid? And what "data" that it collect from everyone? The location of their MQ2 or SEQ? HOLY SHIT CALL HOMELAND SECURITY BEFORE HAXXOR GETS TEH SENSITIVE DATA!!! They might see that I named my C: drive "PenisWanker" !!

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say they installed it without my permission, I said "stealth inclusion of these files." Stealth, as in they didn't disclose their full purpose at the time of publishing. Idiot.

It's your fucking responsibility to look through the patch files when you are putting them on YOUR computer, especially if you're this much of a twat about your "privacy". The .dll's were obviously not there before. If you were that concerned you should have raised questions before using them, shouldn't you?

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And no, I don't want to play here if the server management is going to make this kind of move.

Less crying, more quitting then.

Originally Posted by Taryth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And guess what? Now they'll hack again . . .in a week or so! Because they'll find a workaround, just like they would've if the whole situation would've been upfront in the first place. The only difference is a lot less accounts would've gotten wrist-slaps. Oh noes. Back again to not punishing after taking such a stupid, rash action. There really is no defending that.

I never defended the outcome of all of this. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Send dem bans flyin' bros.

[Tamiah2011]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As compared to people over the internet.... that have their REAL LIFE INFORMATION attached to this project in multiple ways... Just because they aren't a "game company" means we can't hold them legally liable for damage they cause? Are you really THIS fucking stupid? And what "data" that it collect from everyone? The location of their MQ2 or SEQ? HOLY SHIT CALL HOMELAND SECURITY BEFORE HAXXOR GETS TEH SENSITIVE DATA!!! They might see that I named my C: drive "PenisWanker" !!



It's your fucking responsibility to look through the patch files when you are putting them on YOUR computer, especially if you're this much of a twat about your "privacy". The .dll's were obviously not there before. If you were that concerned you should have raised questions before using them, shouldn't you?



Less crying, more quitting then.



I never defended the outcome of all of this. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance means zero tolerance. Send dem bans flyin' bros.

Pay no attention to this complete noob..He only good for one thing OO#########jjjj###D

[G13]

Originally Posted by SUSUGAM [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Although I agree with the idea of protecting privacy and that things should have been a little more out in the open, your idea of 'tradeoff' is pretty dumb here. There it no intrinsic value to your character, besides maybe sentimental... (hurry and take a screenshot of your character for safe keeping). You traded nothing. You spent time. Time spent on a meaningless videogame is not money. This was time that was supposed to be aimed at fun. Your character is not owed to you. Time and effort to level? Time and effort to raid? lol. Sounds like you're referring to EQ as a chore to me. Oh wait...

You are incorrect in your assumptions. It's not my character that has intrinsic value. It's my time that has value. You're making an emotional assumption not based in logic. Regardless of what I do with my time, my time has value. One of the most fundamental principle of economics is about tradeoffs. You give something to get something.

Raiding on this server takes a lot of our time that could be productive elsewhere. We choose to spend it here, because we believe it's a worthwhile investment. For whatever reason. That's not what matters. What matters is we as a community choose to spend our time here, rather than somewhere else. That's called a tradeoff.

Uthgaard decided his time was valuable and better spent elsewhere. Players who have never cheated and played by the rules, might decide their time is better spent elsewhere. That if this is just going to a corrupt box, it's not worth the time investment.

The fact that people cling in such a way to pixels is exactly why games like this can be so unhealthy for people. This isn't a sign of fun, or even a rewarding experience. It's not until you quit that you can even consider any of these things as a reality, though. =/

That said, BURN IT TO THE GROUND

You really need to take a step back and stop acting like a child. If you consider them "just pixels" that is your projection of your own insecurity. There are a lot of people who have been playing here for years, and dedicated a lot of their time to work as a team and form friendships within their respective guilds. The most important thing for the developers to do it is create a fair environment for all guilds to compete equally. To create an environment that encourages community. Otherwise what's the point? Why be here? Why have a server if it's just going to be a sandbox for a bunch of corrupt assholes who cheat to win? Might as well just rename it VZTZ and call it day.

By not banning these accounts the developers have made a statement. We don't value our server enough to take appropriate action. We don't value the community. You don't see Rogean taking any polls to see how the community he created cares do you. Why? Because he could give a shit. He's too busy putting the interest of his RL friends ahead of all of us and you know what? That's a bunch of fucking bullshit. Rogean and Nilbog made the server, that's true, but without any of us here to play on it, it's just an empty box.

If they want to make it a haven for cheaters and show favortism by not taking appropriate action against accounts that are freaking hacking than it might as BE a dead box.

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And then died the repercussions of wrongdoing from that day forth. I think that was the last time anything was done against a shitbag guild, too.

Shitbag guild?

How many officers of TMO were banned? I'll give you a hint: No fingers or toes will be needed to count them. The answer is zero. The non-officer players who were caught have been removed from the guild.

Now go ask other guilds what impact it had on their roster? More importantly ~ ask the guild who you so endlessly suck up to and defend ~ which officers from their guild were originally on the ban list created last weekend. Then ask that guild what they decided to do with those people that were flagged with hacks? Who did they remove from their guild for being caught at cheating?

You brag about having some connections, use them to answer this question truthfully: Who has had their bans lifted already? What guilds did they play with? What was their position in that guild?

And then I dare you to call DA/TMO a shitbag guild again with a straight face.

[Chanur]

Perhaps if they are back on the server they were never banned? Maybe they were suspended, or maybe just maybe they were nothing. No it MUST be corruption because you being wrong is inconceivable.