Discussion: Loot and Scoot (LnS)

[Arillious]

Originally Posted by Keegan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some history about LNS, aka "The Iggles Treatment" and one of the ways it was influenced on VZ (live):



Hindsight is 20/20. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember the Iggles well on VZ. I actually played with them on ShadowBane for a while after Torrent(My VZ Guild) gave up on EQ.

Either way, this general ruleset worked on VZ for years. It puts the power completely in control of the players and requires no GM involvement.

[lethdar]

Originally Posted by Arillious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember the Iggles well on VZ. I actually played with them on ShadowBane for a while after Torrent(My VZ Guild) gave up on EQ.

Either way, this general ruleset worked on VZ for years. It puts the power completely in control of the players and requires no GM involvement.

I remember the Iggles well on SZ. They would cry up a storm when you shit on them and cry about some treatment, i guess that's what they were talking about.

This ruleset didn't work on a server with no rules, it only made training them more entertaining because of their cries about honor and weird roleplay tears.

[Kope]

So to sum up what everyone is saying:

Yes LnS should probably be a rule of the server, but it should not be enforced by the GMs, it should be enforced by the playerbase?

[lethdar]

I expect the server will start with player enforced LnS, which will soon be changed once enough people get sick of being powerless to stop griefers from CCing them all day as things such as player reputation are meaningless when there is a high enough portion of the server that doesn't care or even values traits such as those.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I expect the server will start with player enforced LnS, which will soon be changed once enough people get sick of being powerless to stop griefers from CCing them all day as things such as player reputation are meaningless when there is a high enough portion of the server that doesn't care or even values traits such as those.

You're getting into psychology now and talking about the prison scenario.

If a rule benefits the whole, there will always be the few that will break that rule to benefit themselves, and in doing so removes the rule for the whole eventually.

[Harrison]

He has a point, though. This is exactly what will happen.

If there's a rule someone can ignore, because it won't be enforced via suspensions and/or bans, they will.

Player enforced doesn't work in a F2P environment, ever.

[vinx]

Some of you dont even know what LnS is even if the explanation is right there in front of you

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I expect the server will start with player enforced LnS, which will soon be changed once enough people get sick of being powerless to stop griefers from CCing them all day

Even in a LnS environment this = a denied LnS
which means, no you cant loot your corpse... come try and get it and you will be CC'd
you only feel powerless if you continue going back to that zone and stupid enough to let them continue doing this to you
CCing != bind camping


so what happens if they dont respond to a LnS and you die a few times on return??
now the person has to play an alt or log and take a break until whoever leaves zone

Originally Posted by lethdar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

player reputation are meaningless when there is a high enough portion of the server that doesn't care or even values traits such as those.

Disagree here,
Even without LnS some people or some guild/crew will allow a few exemptions = LnS for a select few you may like, or situation
you cant deny that this will happen and thus allowing LnS even when you are so strongly against it.

Theres a reason LnS is player maintained...
because if it was a server rule... then you have to let idiots come in for their corpse or they send in petitions because its a rule
then they are back after GMs leave and continue to harass you
there are to many times idiots like these dont deserve their corpse
they get what they deserve

[vinx]

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If there's a rule someone can ignore, because it won't be enforced via suspensions and/or bans, they will.

Obv
there are alot of times you dont get LnS and there are players known for NO LnS graces

Originally Posted by Harrison [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Player enforced doesn't work in a F2P environment, ever.

until that day your CC'd when returning to zone for your corpse

[juicedsixfo]

I know it's most likely not even an option, but corpse summoners really were a great implementation down the road in EQ, especially for PvP. But I don't think Red99 is even going to have soul binder NPCs, so probably not worth the discussion... but a corpse summoner in the starting cities with a 30 minute timer would make all the drama over proposed LnS null and void.

[vinx]

Originally Posted by juicedsixfo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know it's most likely not even an option, but corpse summoners really were a great implementation down the road in EQ, especially for PvP. But I don't think Red99 is even going to have soul binder NPCs, so probably not worth the discussion... but a corpse summoner in the starting cities with a 30 minute timer would make all the drama over proposed LnS null and void.

you thought so? i thought it opened the door for someone to keep comin back into zone and heckling you every so often
CCin and denied LnS kept em out
(until they came in with higher levels or bigger crew)

I seriously dont mind jumpin on alts for a few hours or even for a day lol
(if you cant rustle up some help to retrieve it)