Remove Angry Goblin Window

[WarpathEQ]

My viewpoint is 10 sec roll means you actually have to earn it and be there. 30 sec roll means everyone AFK, here for loot lottery, using external methods that weren't prevelent in era, and now the attendance at rolls if 4-5x more and the item is even more gate keeped as a result.

I'm in favor of standardizing rolls, make all rolls 10 seconds. I've never once missed a roll because 10 seconds was not enough time to react. But I've certainly seen plenty of rolls that are overcrowded with people that are nearly 100% AFK.

[cd288]

The majority of 10 second rollers are probably scripting an auto roll upon pop. They're not like putting in some super serious time like people who would be rolling within 30 seconds are not haha

[WarpathEQ]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The majority of 10 second rollers are probably scripting an auto roll upon pop. They're not like putting in some super serious time like people who would be rolling within 30 seconds are not haha

That has not been my experience. Not sure what you could even use to script off angry/shady as I don't think there is any text or anything other than visual que that they spawned. Just the text once turn in happens which is too late (I could very well be wrong just going off memory). Certainly could be a concern for some of the other player agreements.

Could script off other rolls but too many false rolls happen during the 8 hours it would be super obvious if someone was scripting that, and given the toxicity of this quest line would be reported heavily I would expect. Never once seen that and I've done atleast 40 angrys for full window.

What I do see quite often, especially on the overnight windows is people setting up GINA triggers and completely walking away from the computer. Angry spawns and they either don't wake up or get back to keyboard right away. They end up rolling after the 10 seconds but under 30 seconds and don't get rewarded free loot for cheating the system and the loot ends up going to someone that was actually there putting in effort and socking the window. IMO that is a feature, not a bug, or the 10 second timer and working as intended.

[Naethyn]

The fact is you need a stunningly large amount of evidence to result in admin intervention. 30 seconds isn't going to prevent the guys who are paying rent with it. What I want to prevent is the well intentioned player from making poor decisions, because he found out how everyone else is doing it. At 10 seconds you foster an environment that lends to this type of cheating. At 30 seconds it is reasonable that most people wouldn't make that choice.

[kjs86z2]

its tuesday 8 am

goblin going into window soon

does your employer know what you're up to?

[Goregasmic]

Seems to me they went to great length not to ban the POH mini guy so I don't see them enforcing jack shit.

Until they do I guess.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Goregasmic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Seems to me they went to great length not to ban the POH mini guy so I don't see them enforcing jack shit.

Until they do I guess.

Like many of the rules here, the 2-boxing rule's enforcement is all about being caught in the act.

The hate farmer has done all his cheating (for years) when no one, or only a single player (eg. me) could see him do it. Until someone records his cheating, the staff's policy appears to be:
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But if a player violates the player agreement by turning in when they didn't win a roll, they do so in front of a whole mess of witnesses (one of whom might even be recording), so that player is far more likely to be punished.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Like many of the rules here, the 2-boxing rule's enforcement is all about being caught in the act.

The hate farmer has done all his cheating (for years) when no one, or only a single player (eg. me) could see him do it. Until someone records his cheating, the staff's policy appears to be:
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But if a player violates the player agreement by turning in when they didn't win a roll, they do so in front of a whole mess of witnesses (one of whom might even be recording), so that player is far more likely to be punished.

The castle alliance report on that guy seemed pretty clear cut to me. Also seemed easy to verify on the dev's side.

[WarpathEQ]

We did get pet tracking nerf and new PoH rulesets out of it. So while it wasn't a clear rebuke, lifetime ban, and acknowledgement that this person is the biggest scum in EQ history (something that I understand already occured on Blue, yet somehow they allowed it to repeat on Green with the same person and they still aren't banned....) atleast there was some form of action to correct the issue.

But yeah it took castle publishing a full on disertation of unrefutable evidence, investing probably hundreds of hours of player time to continually monitor one bad actor, to even get to that point.

[Goregasmic]

Originally Posted by WarpathEQ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We did get pet tracking nerf and new PoH rulesets out of it. So while it wasn't a clear rebuke, lifetime ban, and acknowledgement that this person is the biggest scum in EQ history (something that I understand already occured on Blue, yet somehow they allowed it to repeat on Green with the same person and they still aren't banned....) atleast there was some form of action to correct the issue.

But yeah it took castle publishing a full on disertation of unrefutable evidence, investing probably hundreds of hours of player time to continually monitor one bad actor, to even get to that point.

Seems easy to me to check if the guy is spamming pet attack 24/7. Yet they decided changing the ruleset and making pet tracking not classic was the prefered option. I guess they could have wanted to future proof the process but it kinda shows they don't seem to care much about automation.