Bard swarm kiting or zone disruption?

[Eisai]

Thousands of dkp have been awarded to bards for swarming in com while grouped with a 40+ cleric/rogue/warrior. Which allowed them to bid very high on contested drops. Plus all the cash/item loot. The only thing they were asked for was to take that shit outside so it doesn't disrupt group play. Unfortunately a few didn't care and their example led to more and more mimics. What once was a 3am problem became an all day affair.

Either way; i think instead of a rants and flames post that will never get attention there should be a petition made seeking a clear definition of what is swarm kiting. I can't imagine that they intend to make group play suffer for what a few selfish soloists have earned for their class.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Eisai [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thousands of dkp have been awarded to bards for swarming in com while grouped with a 40+ cleric/rogue/warrior. Which allowed them to bid very high on contested drops. Plus all the cash/item loot. The only thing they were asked for was to take that shit outside so it doesn't disrupt group play. Unfortunately a few didn't care and their example led to more and more mimics. What once was a 3am problem became an all day affair.

Either way; i think instead of a rants and flames post that will never get attention there should be a petition made seeking a clear definition of what is swarm kiting. I can't imagine that they intend to make group play suffer for what a few selfish soloists have earned for their class.

The funny thing is a bunch of these bards would take ages to kill their kite, often dieing yet refuse offers of help in AoEing the swarm down faster.

[Ciderpress]

For the willfully obtuse salty bards: don't bard in a way that is obviously insanely annoying to other people in the zone. This rule needed to be implemented because you couldn't just do this on your own, apparently.

Woah, woah woah I can't understand, is it okay for me to swarm in velks if I'm helping a group level, who is obviously okay with me doing that and actively wants me to do it??? Isn't that like, kiiiiinda the same as me swarming com and training the shit out of everyone?? Boy, I don't understand this mysterious new ruling!

[Talerain]

I've asked several different people and have got several different answers. I definitely can see if someone is being a Jerk to the entire zone who continuously does the same thing for hours on end. I'm talking limited once in like 2 - 3 hour crap when 1 mob gets stuck somewhere up top and just starts social aggroing everything.

In 7 hours today in Velks, I only had 1 pull which ended up with like 7+ mobs but they just kept coming in waves of 2 - 3 for about 3 waves. Now can I use my DPS songs or not in this scenario?

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Talerain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've asked several different people and have got several different answers. I definitely can see if someone is being a Jerk to the entire zone who continuously does the same thing for hours on end. I'm talking limited once in like 2 - 3 hour crap when 1 mob gets stuck somewhere up top and just starts social aggroing everything.

In 7 hours today in Velks, I only had 1 pull which ended up with like 7+ mobs but they just kept coming in waves of 2 - 3 for about 3 waves. Now can I use my DPS songs or not in this scenario?

The staff are not going to punish you for pulling in a group and pulling a bunch of mobs that you and your group then kill (including with you using your AoE song if needed) - assuming that you're not stealing mobs from another person/group's camp. They would likely punish you if you repeatedly caused trains with your pulling that screwed up other people, but that's not a Bard issue they would do that to any puller.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the willfully obtuse salty bards: don't bard in a way that is obviously insanely annoying to other people in the zone. This rule needed to be implemented because you couldn't just do this on your own, apparently.

Woah, woah woah I can't understand, is it okay for me to swarm in velks if I'm helping a group level, who is obviously okay with me doing that and actively wants me to do it??? Isn't that like, kiiiiinda the same as me swarming com and training the shit out of everyone?? Boy, I don't understand this mysterious new ruling!

This is well said. It's pretty freaking obvious what the staff is talking about here. And the group angle technically has nothing to do with Bards...any puller could pull a shit ton of mobs and cause zone disruption and they'd be in trouble, this isn't anything new.

[dajudge]

Apologies to whatever class you play, as you're obviously mad at bards.

The complaint you have, exemplifies your ineptitude on full display. There are plenty of mobs in FV, in fact it's an outdoor zone, so you can eat your heart out.

Fact is you're just sweating over the exp and mobs killed by the Bard. Isn't it enough that the GM's have already weighed in favor of you crybabies and dungeons?

GM's have essentially come out and said Bards can't do what their class is capable of in Dungeons, which of my estimation is neglecting what Brad intended for a pure EverQuest Experience. Enjoy that win and stop complaining in outdoor zones ya turd.

[Praxcthius]

^^^^^^^^^
What he said. With an extra crybaby thrown in

[Stakorian]

Zone disruption. L O L

It's such a cute term, especially in terms of FV, but also in terms of CoM. The actual issue is that a slow key board turning clicker is sitting down to med and killing a few mobs a minute and gaining a level every few days, while another class is skirting death and getting a level an hour. People fume when they see a bard in any zone getting anything.

CoM for example. I've done a lot of this zone, grouping, soloing, swarming, and I have never seen a group on levels 2 and 3. Necro soloing all of level 2? No problem. An enchanter doing it? Whatever. A bard soloing 2 and 3!!!! And!!! 3-4 mobs from Moat!!! How fucking dare that zone disrupting piece of shit!

The only real difference is that the bard's kill area is an unused patch of grass on the north end of arena that I've also never seen a group occupy.

Are you taking arena mobs? Nope. Are you taking mobs that anyone is going after? Nope.

I've been in CoM at 4am and there was one group at stables losing their fucking minds about the 3 mobs the level 2 and 3 mobs pulled in. We might as well just say that CoM has all level 1 as a camp at that point. This group, never starved for mobs, never in danger, never trained, still had the audacity to complain like children over nothing.

"When I turned the corner my frame rate dipped and I couldn't move from all the mobs!"

Anything to complain about. Anything to get upset about.

Velks is a clusterfuck, but CoM is able to be controlled to such a high degree that I have many times performed the pull while no one was at Moat, and no necros or enchanters were trying to do level 2 or 3, with an Arena group, a Temple group, and a Stables group, with zero issues or danger.

People aren't mad over zone disruption, they are irrationally upset at one class having the tools to circumvent the grind. And that makes them clowns. Neutering the ability of a class because of tears is also a decision only made in a circus.

A sad state.

[Ennewi]

Zone disruption is a legitimate complaint. Back before Velious was released on blue, there would be ramp groups in OT who would complain about bards taking all of the easier mobs and leaving little else to kill. The counterargument was that OT was a bard zone, go somewhere else. With only one expansion, there were fewer zones to relocate to, and yet this rule did not exist. Now there's more real estate than ever, with all expansions released and two PVE servers, plus Quarm. Yet here we are, with repeat offenders ruining the game for everyone else, first the groups who were trying to xp and now the other players of same class who abided by the PnP. No different from the raid scene, the repeat offenders weren't made an example of, so it wouldn't get to this point, where everyone else would have their gameplay orange coned and taped off.

As annoying as it is, this change would be a good fit for the eventual new server and it might not be as bad for green in its current state, depending on the population and availability of PUGs. It encourages bards to group in so many ways, which is what the game was mostly about in classic. But applying the same rule to all servers fails to appreciate their differences. One size does not fit all.

With few exceptions, blue is a ghost town; seasonal events only bring out the twink alts who are so geared to the teeth they 1) don't need to group and 2) will survive zone disruptions more often than not and 3) have a clicky cleric bot parked to rez, like the majority of the server.

It's a shame because blue has become the place to push soloing to its limits, single-playering through the MMO with BiS. Granted, years ago, zone disruption petitions were probably legion even on blue. But now? Press X to doubt.