Is iksar Necro a must?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Indeed. This is why you should be berating Branamil for derailing the thread instead of myself. I stated that it is up to OP to decide if fashion or stats are his preference. I did not force OP to pick Min/Max, nor is anybody else. There was no reason to target me specifically other than spamming the thread with off topic nonsense.

Why on earth would I berate him for saying:

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a roleplaying game. Enjoying your character is far more important than having the most optimal spreadsheet.

You picked a fight with him basically over that. You inferred you knew better what should or shouldn't be posted and he called you out for the twat-waffle you are.

Please stop derailing a threat about a class you've never actually played.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why on earth would I berate him for saying:

I didn't say you should berate him for that comment. You berate him for the subsequent comments directly attacking me, which provide no value to this discussion.

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You picked a fight with him basically over that. You inferred you knew better what should or shouldn't be posted and he called you out for the twat-waffle you are.

Please stop derailing a threat about a class you've never actually played.

I didn't pick a fight with him over that. You are just reading everything I say negatively due to your obvious bias and trolling tendencies. Your assumption I am picking fights with other people is your problem, not mine.

Please stop derailing threads with nonsense and lies.

[branamil]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say you should berate him for that comment. You berate him for the subsequent comments directly attacking me, which provide no value to this discussion.

You're just a troll with zero social skills. I share my opinion and you feel the need to "Correct" it rather than letting all opinions stand on their own merits and letting the reader decide. So STFU with your holier than though bullshit. I know this won't sink in because again, you are severely socially handicapped, but when everyone thread you are in stinks... it's probably because you're full of shit.

[sajbert]

Honestly guys. This isn't the second, third or fourth thread that you guys shit up with your own conflict. It's not even just DSM, both parties take part in this.

Nobody here gives about anything other than players weighing in on iksar vs non-iksar.

If I summarize what I've gathered so far:

Currently cases have been made for that prior to 50, at least with a Z-heart, it matters less if you go Iksar or not. After that it's a moderate to great QoL and especially outside of combat. Once you get VP-staff and other regen items it's less than a 10% hp regen difference in combat. At 50+ outside of combat if you can't be arsed or can't afford beads is where it still to a mild to moderate extent with all the bells and whistles equipped and to a moderate to great extent without. The 7-8 regen difference at 60 once you have good gear will rarely make or break a fight and it won't affect what targets you can or can't kill.

I've made the case for gnome size being a great boon for a class with lulls. You could in theory but not really in practice get a gnome mask to offset this and shrink pots are always an option too. Gnome faction is better too but a non-issue as skelly illusion makes it a moot point.

Non-iksars level faster. I will make the point here too that this to some extent matters at 60 too as death does happen, especially for raiding players. As necros mostly solo this will save a substantial time leveling and especially for any necro that is doing timed spawn camps where the iksar regen doesn't translate into faster mob kill rates.

Fashion will always be subjective but if I understand it most people seem to prefer non-iksar necros. Each to his or her own.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly guys. This isn't the second, third or fourth thread that you guys shit up with your own conflict. It's not even just DSM, both parties take part in this.

Nobody here gives about anything other than players weighing in on iksar vs non-iksar.

If I summarize what I've gathered so far:

Currently cases have been made for that prior to 50, at least with a Z-heart, it matters less if you go Iksar or not. After that it's a moderate to great QoL and especially outside of combat. Once you get VP-staff and other regen items it's less than a 10% hp regen difference in combat. At 50+ outside of combat if you can't be arsed or can't afford beads is where it still to a mild to moderate extent with all the bells and whistles equipped and to a moderate to great extent without. The 7-8 regen difference at 60 once you have good gear will rarely make or break a fight and it won't affect what targets you can or can't kill.

I've made the case for gnome size being a great boon for a class with lulls. You could in theory but not really in practice get a gnome mask to offset this and shrink pots are always an option too. Gnome faction is better too but a non-issue as skelly illusion makes it a moot point.

Non-iksars level faster. I will make the point here too that this to some extent matters at 60 too as death does happen, especially for raiding players. As necros mostly solo this will save a substantial time leveling and especially for any necro that is doing timed spawn camps where the iksar regen doesn't translate into faster mob kill rates.

Fashion will always be subjective but if I understand it most people seem to prefer non-iksar necros. Each to his or her own.

TLDR non-iksar get arch liche to kill themselfs earlier. Iksar get archliche later but still don’t kill themself.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by sajbert [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've made the case for gnome size being a great boon for a class with lulls. You could in theory but not really in practice get a gnome mask to offset this and shrink pots are always an option too.

Does sitting face-first into a wall as skeleton still allow wall-vision?

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does sitting face-first into a wall as skeleton still allow wall-vision?

Good question. Short answer is not sure but I believe no so you'd the have to change out of form to peek which isn't too bad.

There are 3 kinds of wall vision that I'm aware of

Gnome size: Full.
Halfling: half screen
Female human and dark elf (and probably a few other female models): A wonky sorta edge wall vision where you can't see directly ahead.

So if there's any wall vision to be had it'd be the later one.

[Videri]

(Gnome mask is bard and rogue only.) But shrink potions are not too expensive for a necro.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Gnome mask is bard and rogue only.) But shrink potions are not too expensive for a necro.

Yeah you would use Shrink Pots for "gnome vision". The size of your model is what gives you "gnome vision", not the gnome model specifically. The gnome model just so happens to be the right size by default.

[sajbert]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(Gnome mask is bard and rogue only.) But shrink potions are not too expensive for a necro.

Ah, that I didn't know. Always thought it was clickable from inventory.

Guess this gif confused me with the gnome cleric in the pic, it's an actual gnome cleric then.
https://wiki.project1999.com/images/Tink.gif