What's the deal with mages? - Page 5

Ripqozko · #41 09-05-2023, 01:09 PM

this is the new dsm thread i see, Mages are for quading and cothing, i dont even drops rods anymore because they arent needed except maybe aow and vyemm. Quadding is really fun and has been fun since ~2018 when it started coming around. Grouping as a mage is not that great and i prefer almost all my chars vs mage. get your exp in fear during CT. Hope that helps. DSM monks arent that great dps hope that helps too.

DeathsSilkyMist · #42 09-05-2023, 01:24 PM

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"this is the new dsm thread i see" Translation: Ripqozko wants to make a new thread where trolls like himself are attacking people they disagree with.

Fixed it for you. So far the usual suspects haven't been trolling, which is an improvement. You are trying to start trolling, but hopefully you won't go too crazy this time.

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DSM monks arent that great dps hope that helps too.

They are better than you think:

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[Sun Dec 16 14:51:40 2018] Playbook tells the guild, 'Tunare in 253s, 756k @2989dps --- A thifling sprite 132k @530dps --- Castigate + pets 62k @255dps --- Aplastic 23k @89dps --- Jumbasa 22k @91dps --- Coppernin 21k @86dps --- Qubhed 21k @82dps --- Borusk 20k @82dps --- Jonwayne 19k @78dps --- Uban 18k @83dps --- Playbook 17k @68dps

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[Fri Jan 11 16:32:31 2019] Dannyll tells the guild, 'Derakor the Vindicator in 119s, 188k @1578dps --- Jumbasa 15k @128dps --- Detoxx 14k @121dps --- Paulgiamatti 12k @112dps --- Evulsion 11k @97dps --- Cracck 10k @90dps --- Shaolen 10k @90dps --- Narienna 10k @90dps --- Stabzer 10k @89dps --- Nuge 9k @82dps --- Tulenk 9k @83dps'

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[Sun Mar 10 18:01:53 2019] Playbook tells the guild, 'Lord Yelinak in 589s, 536k @911dps --- Playbook 33k @57dps --- Baxter 32k @55dps --- Monnkey 32k @54dps --- Eshan 31k @54dps --- Flopped 31k @53dps --- Kinshoo 31k @52dps --- Swiftyfist 30k @52dps --- Evulsion 29k @49dps --- Aaalien 26k @44dps --- Tydes 25k @45dps'

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[Wed Mar 13 09:16:27 2019] Playbook tells the guild, 'The Avatar of War in 605s, 1019k @1684dps --- Trooper Nvern 52k @87dps --- Trooper Mjflean 50k @84dps --- Trooper Khyren 50k @87dps --- Jumbasa 50k @83dps --- Gusano 41k @69dps --- Digler 39k @65dps --- Stabithaa 35k @58dps --- Eshan 34k @56dps --- Yippykin 33k @56dps --- Playbook 31k @53dps'

Monks are generally about 10-20 DPS lower than Rogues with equivalent gear, which is pretty good.

Troxx · #43 09-05-2023, 01:27 PM

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I'll need to parse the rest of the video later, don't have time now. Currently this is the data I have:

90.7 + 104.6 + 139 + 125.3 + 108.7 / 5 = 113.66 DPS average.

He was using Epic in main hand + Paebala Warbone in offhand. He was switching to a different weapon occasionally in his offhand, will need to see if I can figure out which one. It had the same graphic as Willsapper. I was hasting him with Celerity. I was not casting Avatar on him. Not sure what his worn haste was.

That is 5 fights. Go download gamparse and report back the data from all of the fights. I swear it is easier and more user friendly than manually sorting your log file.

I am glad so far to see your flat “I saw an epic rog doing 133dps” actually not doing 133 predictable dps at all. What you have posted is actually more in line with actual expectations … which is that a level 60 decently geared rogue is doing good dps … as they should be expected to do.

As for the epic rogue’s haste … I think it’s safe to say his haste was epic if he was off handing a tradable weapon.

Ps: you said he was using a Paebala warbone offhand? Why do your logs only show him piercing? Where are the blunt hits? What was he actually using offhand?

DeathsSilkyMist · #44 09-05-2023, 01:30 PM

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That is 5 fights. Go download gamparse and report back the data from all of the fights. I swear it is easier and more user friendly than manually sorting your log file.

I am glad so far to see your flat “I saw an epic rog doing 133dps” actually not doing 133 predictable dps at all. What you have posted is actually more in line with actual expectations … which is that a level 60 decently geared rogue is doing good dps … as they should be expected to do.

As for the epic rogue’s haste … I think it’s safe to say his haste was epic if he was off handing a tradable weapon.

Ps: you said he was using a Paebala warbone offhand? Why do your logs only show him piercing? Where are the blunt hits? What was he actually using offhand?

Gamparse "get's weird" by your own admission. There's no reason to use it since it isn't giving you accurate results. It isn't difficult to write a bit of code to parse your own logs, and you can properly sort things that may lower your DPS, like having Torpor on the Rogue.

I know it's only 5 fights. Did you see the part where I said I would parse the rest of the video later?

Good catch on me missing the blunting parts of the parses. I only searched for piercing results. That just means his DPS will be higher hehe. Lemme recalculate with those values when I get the time.

This is why posting logs is better, because you can check other peoples work.

Ripqozko · #45 09-05-2023, 01:34 PM

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Fixed it for you. So far the usual suspects haven't been trolling, which is an improvement. You are trying to start trolling, but hopefully you won't go too crazy this time.

They are better than you think:

Monks are generally about 10-20 DPS lower than Rogues with equivalent gear, which is pretty good.

Cool i can show parses of me beating them on ranger, if we just wanna spam parses. Ive raided lot longer than you have i get what they are.

DeathsSilkyMist · #46 09-05-2023, 01:36 PM

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Cool i can show parses of me beating them on ranger, if we just wanna spam parses. Ive raided lot longer than you have i get what they are.

Then you would know they have pretty good DPS. Not sure why you are trying to say otherwise.

Ripqozko · #47 09-05-2023, 01:46 PM

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Then you would know they have pretty good DPS. Not sure why you are trying to say otherwise.

they are ok , like i said.

DeathsSilkyMist · #48 09-05-2023, 02:01 PM

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Ps: you said he was using a Paebala warbone offhand? Why do your logs only show him piercing? Where are the blunt hits? What was he actually using offhand?

With the crushing damage the average DPS increases to 120 DPS so far. The first two DPS parses become 106.6 and 123 instead of 90 and 104. He switches to Crescent Blades of Luclin for a while judging by the graphic and proc text, and switches back to the Warbone later. Will do the rest of the video tonight. Crescent Blades of Luclin is also piercing, so some of the parses haven't changed.

Toxigen · #49 09-05-2023, 03:25 PM

mages lol

Snaggles · #50 09-06-2023, 09:27 AM

I don’t understand the class hate here on the forums. They all have strengths and weaknesses. We don’t have to litigate this crap for 20 years.

For a non-raider who wants to dps with their friends there is nothing wrong with the mage. The belief a 45 blob will hold up with a level 60 rogue with Vulak loot is ridiculous. It’s a better group dps class than a necro who isn’t charming not to mention most non-raid melees who often need 100k+ in gear just to be tolerable to play.

My stupid mage pet was only a couple dps behind a Facesmasher monk on Xenvorash and occasionally comes in top on the parse. With deadwoods on Miragul it smoked a 60 monk with a tstaff and a high 50’s rogue. It holds up fine in seb running around with buddies. The 60 water pet cost 500p.

Just because the 5% here quad DA mages in raids doesn’t invalidate the casual raiders or even non-raiders who play a mage (they could be on a Druid). For you with raid toons just be sure to not sleep on doing your job. Nothing more humiliating than getting beat on a parse, even in a group, by something without legs.