What's the deal with mages?

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t think it’s that mages are lazy, it’s that they can do a large amount of lazy dps which I think is a good thing.

Rogues are way lazier. Much more likely to burnout and just stop caring about positioning/backstab. Takes a lot less apm to do just pet attack and click staff/boots on a mage vs constantly repositioning on a rogue.

I don't think I have ever had that my problem on my Rogue. Getting to the back or side of an NPC so you can backstab isn't that hard. I'd even argue that playing a rogue is easier than playing a mage. Mage you have to constantly watch your pet or he could accidentally aggro a whole room full of mobs.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t understand the class hate here on the forums

The OP asked a similar question on Reddit, or else it was just a coincidence that a thread with a very similar question came up around the same time

The responses there are a bit more pro-mage, from what I read

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t understand the class hate here on the forums. They all have strengths and weaknesses. We don’t have to litigate this crap for 20 years.

For a non-raider who wants to dps with their friends there is nothing wrong with the mage. The belief a 45 blob will hold up with a level 60 rogue with Vulak loot is ridiculous. It’s a better group dps class than a necro who isn’t charming not to mention most non-raid melees who often need 100k+ in gear just to be tolerable to play.

My stupid mage pet was only a couple dps behind a Facesmasher monk on Xenvorash and occasionally comes in top on the parse. With deadwoods on Miragul it smoked a 60 monk with a tstaff and a high 50’s rogue. It holds up fine in seb running around with buddies. The 60 water pet cost 500p.

Just because the 5% here quad DA mages in raids doesn’t invalidate the casual raiders or even non-raiders who play a mage (they could be on a Druid). For you with raid toons just be sure to not sleep on doing your job. Nothing more humiliating than getting beat on a parse, even in a group, by something without legs.

It has less to do with Class hate and more to do with experienced players have a better understanding of class Hierarchy. Some classes are simply better designed. Mages are ok, but they are not an amazing class. The one thing they can do, DPS, other classes can do better or just as good, but they also bring a lot more to the table. Loraen actual wrote a guide for this a long time ago when he still played. He does a pretty good job of grouping the classes based off of their capabilities.

- https://wiki.project1999.com/Loraen%...election_Guide

[Crede]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It has less to do with Class hate and more to do with experienced players have a better understanding of class Hierarchy. Some classes are simply better designed. Mages are ok, but they are not an amazing class. The one thing they can do, DPS, other classes can do better or just as good, but they also bring a lot more to the table. Loraen actual wrote a guide for this a long time ago when he still played. He does a pretty good job of grouping the classes based off of their capabilities.

- https://wiki.project1999.com/Loraen%...election_Guide

If you sort his guide by average magicians are a top 5 class, lol. I’ve referenced his guide a few times as people underestimate group dynamics with different numbers of people. It’s more than just “solo” vs “group”. They do well in basically every group composition.

Mages kick ass.

[long.liam]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you sort his guide by average magicians are a top 5 class, lol. I’ve referenced his guide a few times as people underestimate group dynamics with different numbers of people. It’s more than just “solo” vs “group”. They do well in basically every group composition.

Mages kick ass.

Monks are way better in small group comp. Rogues do more dps and can Rogue-Hide to drag corpses and scout for the group. Mages are decent dps in groups, but don't bring much else. Don't get me wrong, they are a solid class, but any class in their tier would be better because of the utility they bring. Mages have absolutely no utility abilities. Outside of decent DPS, they are completely useless. I want to point out, that at the time that Loraen wrote this guide, mages could still solo pretty well. Now because of the bugged/nerfed? aggro mechanics, chain summoning doesn't work, so the only place a mage could really function is as a ok dps class in a full group.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks are way better in small group comp. Rogues do more dps and can Rogue-Hide to drag corpses and scout for the group. Mages are decent dps in groups, but don't bring much else. Don't get me wrong, they are a solid class, but any class in their tier would be better because of the utility they bring. Mages have absolutely no utility abilities. Outside of decent DPS, they are completely useless. I want to point out, that at the time that Loraen wrote this guide, mages could still solo pretty well. Now because of the bugged/nerfed? aggro mechanics, chain summoning doesn't work, so the only place a mage could really function is as a ok dps class in a full group.

Notice you’re bringing in multiple classes to try to out do a mage. Mages check off a lot of boxes, hence why loraen put them in the top 5. Overall solid class, OP wasn’t asking about monks/rogues either.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by long.liam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks are way better in small group comp. Rogues do more dps and can Rogue-Hide to drag corpses and scout for the group. Mages are decent dps in groups, but don't bring much else. Don't get me wrong, they are a solid class, but any class in their tier would be better because of the utility they bring. Mages have absolutely no utility abilities. Outside of decent DPS, they are completely useless. I want to point out, that at the time that Loraen wrote this guide, mages could still solo pretty well. Now because of the bugged/nerfed? aggro mechanics, chain summoning doesn't work, so the only place a mage could really function is as a ok dps class in a full group.

Have you ever played one?

Chain summoning isn’t broken, it just isn’t instant. One taunt and and it’s back on the pet. Or one root if using an earth. Issue is chain summoning is pretty stupid unless you want to stunt kill something.

A mage is just highly specific. You don’t have lure nukes. You do have mala. You don’t have dots or roots, you do have DS and Coth. As Crede says being able to focus on a few things means you can easily succeed at those. I don’t often prefer my mage over my melees but often bring it as a +1 DPS to help guildies because I don’t want to de-park. Most the time it’s high on the parse if not the highest.

Mage, cleric, enchanter. That’s your trio magic. A well played ench doesn’t need a shaman. The mage pet will keep tough stuff from summoning on the ench charm break. Mala for what you are killing, malosini for charmed pet, DS, etc.

[enjchanter]

I love mage cuz even when I'm afk , my pet isn't

[Toxigen]

Sure mages are a fine 5th or 6th.

Fit one in a trio and tell me its one of the best options.

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure mages are a fine 5th or 6th.

Fit one in a trio and tell me its one of the best options.

It’s not about best. If you want that let’s start a 500 page thread about best trio lol. Or make 1 of every class to check every box. Mages overall are pretty good.