Class Warnings for New Players

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I love Druids, not knocking them, they are max raid support and are underrated in groups. They are one of the main reasons rangers suck. I don't think it's good advice to start a Druid to make platinum that's all. I see this advice a lot and its bad.

Sorry you don’t know any good rangers with 91% self haste and ToV weapons.

[zelld52]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The sentiment in this thread that mag and nec are a great choice for someone who wants to casually solo I can agree with. Good points.

I love Druids, not knocking them, they are max raid support and are underrated in groups. They are one of the main reasons rangers suck. I don't think it's good advice to start a Druid to make platinum that's all. I see this advice a lot and its bad.

Listing what spells or abilities a class has means nothing. Can you all stop trying to mislead noobs with technical vagrancies. Stop listing a bunch of random shit, might as well throw in dwarf roll.

I am not raid centric. When I play this game it's mostly a mix of farming in duos and trios between raids. I enjoy xping as much as anything. I like to xp like I farm. Max efficiency. When it comes to xp, none of the classes I listed are S teir. The best XP combinations from duo+ are as follows. enc/clr, enc/clr/war, enc/clr/war/mnk, enc/clr/war/mnk/rog the last spot is debatable imo, the rest are not. This is especially true before the xp penalties are lifted.

What the actual fuck are you talking about? Necro is S tier solo. High tier duo partner


ENC CLR WAR is not as efficient as NEC NEC or NEC ENC or NEC DRU or NEC SHM. war needs heals. charm pets dont. ever heard of feign death? very broken ability. How about instant click self invis?

WAR is not good for exp. WAR cannot hold aggro over a PAL or SK... once again.

You know nothing.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by zelld52 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

WAR is not good for exp. WAR cannot hold aggro over a PAL or SK... once again.

You know nothing.

Warrior is just fine for xp. I never had threat issues on my warrior leveling. Granted this was before the 2 sequential nerfs to common warrior weapons. There was a time that WESS was massive aggro - 4 poison counters stat debuff and blind all contributing stacking aggro effects. Infestation too used to be multiple poison counters (900-1k threat) before being nerfed to 400 then subsequently nerfed to garbage.

If a warrior has decent haste, a frostbringer + other and decent dex, I can’t imagine it’s that bad unless you’re grouped with a bunch of mouth breathers.

Im just glad I got Frostreaver before all these nerfs crippled warriors.

[Troxx]

I don’t think you’ve ever grouped with a good bard.

[Karanis]

The hybrid exp penalties have been gone on all 3 servers for quite some time now.

Also:

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t think you’ve ever grouped with a good bard.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don’t think you’ve ever grouped with a good bard.

Best static trio I've ever had was cleric/enchanter/bard. Mana for days, tons of cc to mitigate bad pulls, great steady health regen, didn't feel like there was a lack of dps either.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by bcbrown [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Best static trio I've ever had was cleric/enchanter/bard. Mana for days, tons of cc to mitigate bad pulls, great steady health regen, didn't feel like there was a lack of dps either.

Meh, cleric / enc / bard is actually not great. The bard doesn't do much there. Too much overlap and your only damage is the enc pet...its "too safe."

True story:

Best XP trio I ever participated in (and I'm an enchanter main) was on my rogue.

Rogue + monk + bard, all with fungis / epics, monk had beads, bard had eye helm. Bard and I were level 56, monk was 57.

Literal non-stop killing for 4 hours at Slabs in the Hole (when the ZEM was insane). We were poaching golems and whatever else we could get from docks, too. All 3 of us were baller players which helped with not taking unnecessary damage, but that bard pumped insane health on top of all the CC.

You could hear the docks group crying for cigarettes because of how hard they had been fucked by a 3 man group of melees.

Troxx is right of course. A well played bard is a force to be reckoned with.

This Lampolo joker is the type of player that will never improve. Stuck in their own thoughts on whats possible and what isn't.

Which brings me back to my original point: bard and necro is damn near healing overkill for 95% of XP groups.

[bcbrown]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Meh, cleric / enc / bard is actually not great. The bard doesn't do much there. Too much overlap and your only damage is the enc pet...its "too safe."

You've played this game substantially more than me, so I won't try to challenge your assertion that it's "actually not great". And sure, I've been in groups that slaughtered mobs at a faster rate, like a ~50s chanter/necro/cleric/shaman group in CoM.

We were all mid-30s, untwinked or minimally twinked, dungeon crawling challenging stuff for our level, looking for a couple upgrades for the enchanter in the Guk and Sol dungeons. Between Clarity and bard mana regen, we were swimming in mana, and with bard health regen, I didn't need to spend much of it on heals. I was in fine plate, with haste gloves and a PWC, so I think I spent a lot of the time tanking and spanking, with nukes and stuns mixed in. I think the bard often mixed in a charm pet, so all three of us contributed DPS.

If your ideal group involves sitting in camp buzzsawing through the mobs that the puller is bringing in at a steady clip, then yeah it's probably not a great trio. But for crawling challenging dungeons while maintaining a substantial margin of safety even without excellent gear, I think it's excellent. And I often prefer crawling dungeons to sitting in a camp.

[Toxigen]

Bard + necro is all you need to heal 95% of single group XP stuff.

Hope this helps.

[Lampolo]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two melee clerics is all you need to dps 95% of single group XP stuff.

Hope this helps.