SK Race Choice

[DeathsSilkyMist]

I am really not sure why Keebz thinks the only thing a 60 Shadowknight can do is fight tough single mobs. Any time you lose XP in 60, you eventually have to grind it back if you want to keep 60. You aren't going to be grinding XP then? Blood Ember magically becomes useless? I think you are way too focused on one aspect of the game to try and win the argument.

I have a 60 Shaman who does all kinds of solo content. It isn't like I am unfamiliar with the end game, both solo and raiding. You don't need to fight a mob with every single class to understand how it operates.

[Crede]

Not really sure why people are talking about rolling other classes or undervaluing BE stuff. You can min max an sk just as you can min max any other class. It’s about getting the best edge possible, this is a locked server, so getting free advantages are huge. BE is advantageous, plain and simple. If you’re not trying to incorporate it into all levels of play, you’re just being inefficient on a class that needs every bit of efficiency it can get.

An iksar sk can eventually solo a cliff golem same as a DE sk. That doesn’t matter. Going a race like troll with BE and regen and slam are advantages that add up over time. Not to mention have huge melee bonuses over the other races besides ogre. If you’re ok with giving up some of that for iksar looks, that’s fine. Just know that you are handicapping yourself to some extent.

I’ve done several sk builds. I also have a 60 sk. Based on my build research I would recommend fashion first and foremost. If you don’t care about that then go troll for solo or ogre for group/raid. If you want to bis a magelo then prob go erudite.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Crede [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really sure why people are talking about rolling other classes or undervaluing BE stuff. You can min max an sk just as you can min max any other class. It’s about getting the best edge possible, this is a locked server, so getting free advantages are huge. BE is advantageous, plain and simple. If you’re not trying to incorporate it into all levels of play, you’re just being inefficient on a class that needs every bit of efficiency it can get.

An iksar sk can eventually solo a cliff golem same as a DE sk. That doesn’t matter. Going a race like troll with BE and regen and slam are advantages that add up over time. Not to mention have huge melee bonuses over the other races besides ogre. If you’re ok with giving up some of that for iksar looks, that’s fine. Just know that you are handicapping yourself to some extent.

I’ve done several sk builds. I also have a 60 sk. Based on my build research I would recommend fashion first and foremost. If you don’t care about that then go troll for solo or ogre for group/raid. If you want to bis a magelo then prob go erudite.

Agreed.

[Ripqozko]

The only right choices Is the races that allow you to wear PD robe for the mana BIS, all the other options yall are giving are invalid.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only right choices Is the races that allow you to wear PD robe for the mana BIS, all the other options yall are giving are invalid.

Vindi BP better. Robes are dumb.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vindi BP better. Robes are dumb.

Sorry your ugly troll can’t wear, mana is all that matters and vindi has none. Hope that helps.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Let me break down the Vindi BP vs. PD Robe comparison a bit more.

A Troll with a Vindi BP who put 20 points into INT has +34 STA and +15 HP over an Iksar with PD Robe who put 20 points into STA. Their INT is basically equal, 82 vs. 85. That means the Troll has +192 HP over the Iksar. With Vindi BP you are getting an extra 100 HP via AoB regen in a 5 minute fight with something like a Cliff Golem. So you are getting a total of 292 HP with Vindi BP, roughly speaking.

The Iksar is getting roughly 320 more mana, which translates into 1 Drain soul with about 100 mana left over. So they are getting 338 HP and 100 mana from PD robe in the same fight with a Cliff Golem.

You are essentially trading 27 worn AC and 10 ATK for 46 HP and 100 Mana. While you could argue Innate Iksar AC can close the AC gap, you are still looking at a small trade. 10 ATK for 46 HP and 100 Mana.

Best case you can make for PD robe is it is basically equal to Vindi BP in terms of what you get. One click of Blood Ember Greaves is saving you 120 mana (which Iksars cannot use), so you are really trading 10 ATK and 20 mana for 46 HP.

I am not trying to say Max Mana is worthless on an SK. A bigger mana pool means you can spam more spells in a short time. But a lot of people forget the trade-offs you make when you pick a small race vs. a big race, and also the trade-off of Iksars not being able to wear plate. In enough BiS gear you can cap Stamina, and PD Robe gets a bit better. But realistically it's going to take a lot of BiS gear to get an Iksar to cap STA without buffs, and you are still losing Blood Ember, which can provide more mana than PD robe.

I understand your initial comment was about fashion, but personally I think plate looks better than Robes. You aren't hiding all the cool gear you got.

[Snaggles]

The only thing worse than a sk race thread is a pally charisma one. By the time they fizzle out the op could be 60.

Does it matter? Yes
Really tho? No

It’s a class with spells that can equip awesome gear. That means a lot of the player vs npc solo battles are determined by everything else than the last 200 mana or 8pt extra standing regen. It’s 80 hps a minute or 400 in 5 mins. If the fight comes down to those razor thin margins…Jesus…

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only thing worse than a sk race thread is a pally charisma one. By the time they fizzle out the op could be 60.

Does it matter? Yes
Really tho? No

It’s a class with spells that can equip awesome gear. That means a lot of the player vs npc solo battles are determined by everything else than the last 200 mana or 8pt extra standing regen. It’s 80 hps a minute or 400 in 5 mins. If the fight comes down to those razor thin margins…Jesus…

Let people get the correct answer and they can figure it out for themselves if it's worth caring about[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Better than a nothing answer like this.

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let people get the correct answer and they can figure it out for themselves if it's worth caring about[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Better than a nothing answer like this.

There is no “correct”. It’s a spectrum of advantages and disadvantages. Even 20% xp penalty for a solo player is a disadvantage for how most people will solo to 60 (spawn limited). All that matters is 60, a lot of people stop playing before they see a class truly evolve.

What could Keer do as a troll but not a DE? What would they not be able to kill if a Iksar instead? Please enlighten us.