Mage epic --- game changing?

[Balimon]

They can be used to ToV more than people think or currently do. I get why ToV is a focus, but it's not the entire game. The epic is a huge upgrade for raiding because of its guaranteed level, sure a max level focused water pet does more DPS, but good luck getting a max summon every time you cast it.

People hating on the epic simply have never played a Mage before and after to understand the difference. Is it worth acquiring? That's something people need to decide for themselves because the cost is so great. For most folks it simply isn't.

[Snaggles]

I wouldnt say people are "hating on it". I just dont think it changes much of what a mage will do (kill geo's easier, farm droga faster?), it just makes the solo mage a much better package.

Pet wise, the epic is like a 500hp BMW where the water pet is a 500hp clapped-out 90's Mustang. If the Mustang will edge out the BMW at one thing it will suffer in 9 other categories. But, if you are comparing that one thing and its all that matters...sometimes the epic pet will get smoked.

I really love the mage and what it brings to the table. PvE casual content and raid content. It obviously has the best pets and the epic is amazing. If anything people hate on the class more than the epic, because they would all die to have an epic mage in their fleet.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldnt say people are "hating on it". I just dont think it changes much of what a mage will do (kill geo's easier, farm droga faster?), it just makes the solo mage a much better package.

Pet wise, the epic is like a 500hp BMW where the water pet is a 500hp clapped-out 90's Mustang. If the Mustang will edge out the BMW at one thing it will suffer in 9 other categories. But, if you are comparing that one thing and its all that matters...sometimes the epic pet will get smoked.

I really love the mage and what it brings to the table. PvE casual content and raid content. It obviously has the best pets and the epic is amazing. If anything people hate on the class more than the epic, because they would all die to have an epic mage in their fleet.

its definitely not hate, just most mages are cothing and DAing mobs away, your pet isnt helping you if you are pushing trash to exit in tov, yea there is other spots your pet can do things in raids, but tov is like 3/4ths the targets. Speaking as a mage main myself.

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its definitely not hate, just most mages are cothing and DAing mobs away, your pet isnt helping you if you are pushing trash to exit in tov, yea there is other spots your pet can do things in raids, but tov is like 3/4ths the targets. Speaking as a mage main myself.

You're right, I'm not talking about using the pet on trash, why would you ruin your faction for that? Plus the constant CoTH's that are coming in. I'm talking about popping him out on bosses, which is alright on a lot of the encounters. The epic specifically doesn't cost any mana up front for the fight itself, since it's already summoned in the orb, it's an easy way to add some dps to the fight, and then /q out for the faction hit.

Pet's fine on: trips, doubles, Kriez, Fesh, Lady M, Aary, Eashen, Iki, Gozz, Telk. I haven't tried Dagarn because that's an awkward spot, but if you cleared the trash it would probably be fine. Koi probably okay but never tried it, Vyemm I would think not, and I keep the pet up as a battery on that fight anyway. Doze obviously not a good idea. Never used it on Vulak but I bet you could guard the pet where the melee's hide and just have him go in and out with them np. LTK probably not a good idea especially if people are training the trash around.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Balimon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right, I'm not talking about using the pet on trash, why would you ruin your faction for that? Plus the constant CoTH's that are coming in. I'm talking about popping him out on bosses, which is alright on a lot of the encounters. The epic specifically doesn't cost any mana up front for the fight itself, since it's already summoned in the orb, it's an easy way to add some dps to the fight, and then /q out for the faction hit.

Pet's fine on: trips, doubles, Kriez, Fesh, Lady M, Aary, Eashen, Iki, Gozz, Telk. I haven't tried Dagarn because that's an awkward spot, but if you cleared the trash it would probably be fine. Koi probably okay but never tried it, Vyemm I would think not, and I keep the pet up as a battery on that fight anyway. Doze obviously not a good idea. Never used it on Vulak but I bet you could guard the pet where the melee's hide and just have him go in and out with them np. LTK probably not a good idea especially if people are training the trash around.

You won't have time is what I'm saying, cause the trash will be following you around , not that you'll be killing it. Your epic pet is like half a rogue. There is better jobs for us. Can ya toss it on on some encounters sure but it's not making a huge difference.

Edit: I never said killing trash I said training trash

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You won't have time is what I'm saying, cause the trash will be following you around , not that you'll be killing it. Your epic pet is like half a rogue. There is better jobs for us. Can ya toss it on on some encounters sure but it's not making a huge difference.

Edit: I never said killing trash I said training trash

Do you have any videos of the DA training I can link to for my.guide? Also I think blues meta is different than greens, or at least how green was last year. I think y'all train a lot more often

[Snaggles]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its definitely not hate, just most mages are cothing and DAing mobs away, your pet isnt helping you if you are pushing trash to exit in tov, yea there is other spots your pet can do things in raids, but tov is like 3/4ths the targets. Speaking as a mage main myself.

I only summon up a pet for stuff pulled to the zone for fun sake. Otherwise I'd just be cothing, rodding, and DA bombing. A summoned pet on a glimmer is world-class cringe. Just got my DA RW earring last night. Finally a quad mage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Purdy pumped.

For general muck-around dps the pet isnt bad. On the basis that most players are pretty marginal lol.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I only summon up a pet for stuff pulled to the zone for fun sake. Otherwise I'd just be cothing, rodding, and DA bombing. A summoned pet on a glimmer is world-class cringe. Just got my DA RW earring last night. Finally a quad mage [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Purdy pumped.

For general muck-around dps the pet isnt bad. On the basis that most players are pretty marginal lol.

hell yea grats man on quad mage status

[silo32]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A summoned pet on a glimmer is world-class cringe.

Those who can't do, teach.

Op is a moon light raider (raids once every other month for a few hours?). Pets on glimmers. Summons epic pet and thinks they can use reclaim energy for mana battery. Doesn't da train, ever. Invested in writing a huge class guide because they got epic pet and wants to stay relevant. Up there with bottom tier mages like Tritina. Grain of salt.

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by silo32 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Those who can't do, teach.

Op is a moon light raider (raids once every other month for a few hours?). Pets on glimmers. Summons epic pet and thinks they can use reclaim energy for mana battery. Doesn't da train, ever. Invested in writing a huge class guide because they got epic pet and wants to stay relevant. Up there with bottom tier mages like Tritina. Grain of salt.

Sounds like someone got rustled (also I'm not the OP!)