Boxing

[President]

This thread needs to just die. The GM's have made their decision and boxxing will not be allowed until it is deemed "necessary."

If you don't like it, go play on PEQ and see how fun THAT server is.

[girth]

All I see is a bunch of solo classes that sit next to my group(2-3 people) and leech off us.

And an occasional 'wife' that doesn't talk or anything except maybe 1 thing every 5 hours.

[Danth]

It's sad you'd say that Girth.

Danth

[nilbog]

For those of you who missed the beta forums.. this is like resurrecting a dead horse, to kill it, then beat it some more.

The original arguments for boxing additional clients were wrought with bias, conjecture, and future-prediction.. on both sides.

I'll reiterate myself once more, though:

Summary: Boxing will not be allowed until there is a need. The need will be determined by such things as .. a declining population growth, the inability to complete encounters, and a general consensus that it is needed. None of those things are present here, so this is not an issue. I am very happy with my decision.

The general theme of these discussions was that anti-boxing players raised concerns for their own favor and benefit, and pro-boxing players addressed likely issues for the server. There was a blatantly obvious disparity in the tone, rationality and altriusm (for lack of better word) between the two groups.

In defense of.. what I consider a good community of people, the well-written opinions were mostly sent to me via private messages. I don't blame them for not wanting to join the flame arena.

I would be pretty impressed if the hardware could handle over 500, and personally, id rather see us fill up 500 single player chars, then use our current population and kill the server hardware with boxing.

Server hardware + connection would handle around 1000 clients at the moment.. and I hope not a single slot ever gets filled with a boxed character.

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server hardware + connection would handle around 1000 clients at the moment.. and I hope not a single slot ever gets filled with a boxed character.

I want to have your babies, Nilbog!

[girth]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's sad you'd say that Girth.

Danth

I had to LOL because I wasn't thinking of you when I said that. Tell Lara i'm sorry. You're the only couple I met in game that I believe is really 2 people, how else would Lara and I have emote fun while you pulled? =)

The other 4 or 5 though i've met, have all been pretty obvious.

[Deathrydar]

Originally Posted by girth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how else would Lara and I have emote fun while you pulled? =)

Danth, you better watch what your wife is doing while you're out busting your ass and pulling.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Throttle]

Originally Posted by lindz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

250 - 300 players is all well and good for US prime time but during EU prime time we're only seeing numbers of about 125. I don't often play during daytime hours, but I do wonder how the EU players are finding grouping.

Unfortunately, EU players have had to live with this for so long. If circumstances are right for US players, it must be right always, and little regard is given to anyone outside of that point of view. It was the same thing on Live - how long was it before we actually got a EU server? And when we did, we got one or two at the most. Even if the online tally is 2-300 while you play, and even if you can easily get groups, just try to see things from more perspectives than your own. At the risk of sounding anti-American: You're not the only person in the world, and despite what may be a common sentiment, people outside your nation and timezone are not unimportant, and their case should not be blatantly disregarded just because it does not affect your personal situation. Unfortunately, that plea has always been utterly and completely ignored.

Originally Posted by Somekid123 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im outta here along with the other 20ish people that came along if boxing comes into play, and im sure a lot of the community will do the same.

It is this kind of vulgar selfishness that poses the greatest risk to any community. Why do people have to be so intolerant?

No intelligent person could possibly argue against the fact that disallowing boxing has an infinitely greater impact on those who want to box than allowing it has on those who do not want to. But then, EQEmu communities tend not to be hindered by such burdens as compassion and rational thinking.

Goodbye and good luck. Nilbog, good job with the server, it is a great product in its own right, even if you cater primarily to the types of players who force you to disable communication channels, and perform DDoS attacks on your server. I suspect that too many of the VZTZ crowd made their way here.

[Takshaka]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Server hardware + connection would handle around 1000 clients at the moment.. and I hope not a single slot ever gets filled with a boxed character.

Wow, I just created my account here the other day. Friend told me about this. I was actually worried that an emu server wouldn't be able to handle much more than what is currently connected. This makes me pretty darn happy. To see that this has only been out of beta for a month(I think I am correct here) and the current growth is pretty impressive. Here is hoping that it continues and someday the server gets a little closer to its limits.

[Bigcountry23]

Originally Posted by Throttle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Goodbye and good luck. Nilbog, good job with the server, it is a great product in its own right, even if you cater primarily to the types of players who force you to disable communication channels, and perform DDoS attacks on your server. I suspect that too many of the VZTZ crowd made their way here.

I think your being rather unfair here and throwing out a bit of sour grapes.

As for your argument that the server is "Ameri-centric" and that since you are in another timezone you can't find a group I call BS. Right now it is 8PM GMT (that would be the UK BTW) and there are over 170 people online! Maybe I could understand your argument if it was prime time for you and there were only 30-40, but that's just not the case. Also, despite what you may have heard, not everyone in America works 9-5. Some of us work nights, some work rotating schedules. The population is growing and currently is such that it is not needed at this time.