JBB, is it really that good?

[ya.dingus]

Originally Posted by skorge [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blah blah blah, accuses me of not reading his post, doesn't realize he didn't read mine.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist

Doesn't realize that bash doesn't always stun on every hit

Originally Posted by https://wiki.project1999.com/Sakuragi%27s_Warrior_Guide

mobs get their secondary attack every 8 seconds, bash instead instead of kick 75% of the time, hit 50% of the time, and stun 50% of their hits. So if the mob isn't hasted you'll be spending roughly 2 seconds out of 40 (5%) of your time stunned. Depending on how fast your weapons are, that's some 2-3% of your threat and damage (your weapons will be ready as soon as you aren't stunned, so you don't lose all of the time) which isn't gamebreaking but is certainly nice.

Like neither of you get it, I actually posted the source documentation to the original warrior post that had the chances per hit and broke the math down to the 5% margin you avoid being "stunned"

You two literally don't understand the following;

1. Bash does not always stun. It has a chance to stun. It's not guaranteed
2. It also has a less chance of hitting you than a normal hit
3. If a mob is lower than you in level by a decent amount, even if it bashes, it has a reduced chance to stun the lower level the monster is.


I'm literally feeding you guys the source material and you're not reading it.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by ya.dingus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

If you're tanking a wall of at level mobs, you're dead.

If you're tanking a wall of green mobs, if they're beyond a certain range their bash not only rarely hits, it also doesn't stun.

You guys would know this if you played any race other than ogre, or did your homework on the actual game mechanics.

In short - you can chalk this to another demonstrably false situational statement that ogre players love to regurgitate in an effort to supply a never ending stream of copium for inhalation so that they can tolerate looking at their character thinking sacrificing 90% of their play quality for 5% of a margin is a good trade.

I am not sure what you are talking about here. I play Ogres and non-Ogres. You don't need to tank multiple mobs for FSI to be good. It's really simple:

https://youtu.be/igpbLuNe0ls?t=440

If you look at the video, I get bashed at the end of casting Turgur's Insects. My cast GOES THOUGH.

https://youtu.be/uEgFcImQ9XU?t=18

To get an idea of the DPS of an unslowed WW Dragon, I take a total of 993 damage during those two slow attempts. Average damage per second was 138. This means if I got interrupted on the first (Bravatar) video, I would have taken hundreds of damage trying to recast slow again.

So FSI saved me hundreds of HP in this specific case, more than Troll Regen would have given me during the pre-slow phase. Once the mob is slowed Troll Regen is irrelevant, as it is too slow to save you 99% of the time. The other 1% of the time both FSI and Regen has a small chance to save you, depending on luck.

WW Dragons take an average of 15-20 minutes to setup, pull, and kill. That means you are killing 3-4 Dragons per hour. Troll Regen will save you 4800 HP per hour, which is saving you 1.5-2 minutes worth of Torpor. That isn't enough to get more kills per hour unless you are playing for 10+ hours.

This is why FSI is better with Torpor, and Regen is better before Torpor. It's really simple math. Level 60 Torpor Shamans aren't generally clearing hordes of greens/blues, because their spell kit is better suited for going after high power single targets. You generally make more money too.

[FickleFiend]

Does FSI prevent push interrupts? Can't stand Ogre so honestly don't know.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by FickleFiend [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does FSI prevent push interrupts? Can't stand Ogre so honestly don't know.

No, FSI is only relevant when mobs bash you. Bash has 3 components:
1. Damage
2. Chance to interrupt spell
3. Chance to Stun (100% chance to interrupt spell)

FSI removes the chance to stun. This means you always have a chance to finish casting your spells when you get bashed, you never have to worry about the stun (auto interrupt). This is if you are facing the target. If they hit you from behind, you can still be stunned.

[FickleFiend]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, FSI is only relevant when mobs bash you. Bash has 3 components:
1. Damage
2. Chance to interrupt spell
3. Chance to Stun (100% chance to interrupt spell)

FSI removes the chance to stun. This means you always have a chance to finish casting your spells when you get bashed, you never have to worry about the stun (auto interrupt). This is if you are facing the target. If they hit you from behind, you can still be stunned.

I know that part of it but was wondering if there's some magic I'm missing. I have a 60 Troll Shm and honestly the stuns aren't really a big thing. It's the push I find more annoying. So stand in corner I guess.

Cheers!

Edit... And to stay on topic, JBB is a sweet toy, along the lines of the Lumi stick for Druid. Great tool, but hardly necessary. Just slow down and enjoy the experience of leveling!

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by FickleFiend [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know that part of it but was wondering if there's some magic I'm missing. I have a 60 Troll Shm and honestly the stuns aren't really a big thing. It's the push I find more annoying. So stand in corner I guess.

Cheers!

Push shouldn't be an issue if you are slowing the mob. As a 60 Shaman I am not sure what situations you are getting into where you are getting pushed enough to be interrupted.

When fighting single mobs you getting pushed very little when they are slowed.

When fighting multiple mobs, you are rooting, not face tanking multiple mobs.

Fighting in water is the only thing I can think of, but that is always more difficult as a caster.

[FickleFiend]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Push shouldn't be an issue if you are slowing the mob. As a 60 Shaman I am not sure what situations you are getting into where you are getting pushed enough to be interrupted.

When fighting single mobs you getting pushed very little when they are slowed.

When fighting multiple mobs, you are rooting, not face tanking multiple mobs.

Fighting in water is the only thing I can think of, but that is always more difficult as a caster.

You're right, I'm not getting pushed a lot, but it's more annoying than any stuns I see. I can go many fights without a single stun landing but I'm also one of the "AC is King" kind of players. My real point here is that too many people really oversell the importance of FSI at 60. It's probably a little more useful than an extra stack of food on a halfling as they eat more, but not quite as useful as Dwarf barrel roll. Somewhere in between.

[Toxigen]

yall mother fuckers need jesus

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yall mother fuckers need jesus

Jesus starts with J. JBB starts with J. Coincidence? I think not.

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Jesus starts with J. JBB starts with J. Coincidence? I think not.

what im wondering is why on earth you recommended that poor new guy re-roll to troll for a jbb

come argue with me in the other thread