Shaman spell cost

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You won't get aggroed anyway if you just play properly.

You going to claim you can fight the interior pulls, a few hundred of those over time and never get inadvertent or unwanted aggro? Bullshit. Maybe you lived the good life killing Yeldema and Gafala forever. Or maybe you pulled Bratavar or Mazi or Ayillish four or five times and didn't have trouble and gave yourself a pat on the back. Bravo! Now go do it another several hundred times.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They can be killed faster than that. More fallacies from you.

You have yet to prove it lol. I have videos, you don't. More DPS fantasies that have no anchoring in reality. You still don't know what a fallacy is either hehe.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You won't get aggroed anyway if you just play properly. You will save more than "1 or 2 minutes" and you don't just need to be killing Dragons in WW, the time you save means you can move on to doing something else. Either in game or irl.

You've clearly never pulled WW Dragons either. You have no real opinion on the matter.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are so dumb. Again, YOU STAND PARALLEL TO THE COAST. So the Dragon is in the water regardless. Him getting pushed only slightly changes where in the water he will be.

You are trying to split hairs because of how badly you are losing. You really don't understand push as your previous posts show. If the Dragon gets pushed a little too far into the water, I lose line of sight and have to reposition the mob, which wastes time.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your pet was in the front much of the time in the video. And if you do indeed position correctly, then there no reason to not have the pet hasted from the start.

You didn't watch the video clearly. You can check the logs, he isn't getting riposted. He's to the side of the mob, to the point where he's doing max damage. You know nothing about fighting WW Dragons, you don't even know how pet positioning works. That is odd for someone who I assume is a Mage.

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your video doesn't debunk anything. All it does is show how poorly you play.

It debunks all your posts. You are just too much of a noob to see it[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You going to claim you can fight the interior pulls, a few hundred of those over time and never get inadvertent or unwanted aggro? Bullshit. Maybe you lived the good life killing Yeldema and Gafala forever. Or maybe you pulled Bratavar or Mazi or Ayillish four or five times and didn't have trouble and gave yourself a pat on the back. Bravo! Now go do it another several hundred times.

At this point I am convinced he hasn't even killed one WW Dragon. But he will never post any videos of himself, he is probably too embarrassed at his playstyle. It would ruin his already fragile attempt to look like a "pro gamer".

[Danth]

To be fair I'm not going to post videos of myself, either, because I don't make videos. So I don't hold that, specifically, against anyone. But the suggestion you'll never get aggro there is a straight-up fairy tale. Mobs pop in and out of visual range, they aggro from behind geometry where you can't even see them, you get run over and trained by kiters or by people running to temple veeshan or training sontalak away, you hang out there long enough stuff is going to happen.

Yeah, I can solo pull any dragon there to most any point in the zone, reliably (shadowknight), and a shaman could too if he wanted....but the shaman'll have to do it by sometimes needing to root/camp and whatnot. You MIGHT argue with someone that he could summon the pet and if he has some bad luck and has to root camp once, well, he at least still gets the pet the other majority of pulls that don't go sour.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair I'm not going to post videos of myself, either, because I don't make videos. So I don't hold that, specifically, against anyone. But the suggestion you'll never get aggro there is a straight-up fairy tale. Mobs pop in and out of visual range, they aggro from behind geometry where you can't even see them, you get run over and trained by kiters or by people running to temple veeshan or training sontalak away, you hang out there long enough stuff is going to happen.

Yeah, I can solo pull any dragon there to most any point in the zone, reliably (shadowknight), and a shaman could too if he wanted....but the shaman'll have to do it by sometimes needing to root/camp and whatnot. You MIGHT argue with someone that he could summon the pet and if he has some bad luck and has to root camp once, well, he at least still gets the pet the other majority of pulls that don't go sour.

You don't need to make videos, because you are not making silly claims that you are pushing as fact. It is clear by your posts you have actually fought WW Dragons and pulled in WW. I am not getting that at all from Z.

I am pretty sure you cannot summon pets once you have agro, so I don't think it would be helpful. I'll test that again sometime soon, but I remember having problems with it when making my Ice Burrower video. And this assumes the agro is from something you can root camp. Some of the nastier roamers like Mraaka (who has no agro message and looks like all the other craigworms) has a huge agro radius and isn't going to let you root him hehe.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have yet to prove it lol. I have videos, you don't.

Your videos show you are playing wrong, as has been pointed out multiple times with how you stagger spells incorrectly, how you don't use all the correct spells to begin with, and how you aren't using the pet to best effect. You also don't swap in a better melee weapon. If you play better, it's a factual certainty that you would kill faster.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are trying to split hairs. You really don't understand push as your previous posts show. If the Dragon gets pushed a little too far into the water, I lose line of sight and have to reposition the mob, which wastes time.

There are no "split hairs", you are simply positioning wrong. I understand push, stop using these pathetic straw man lines all the time; the pet does not push to the degree you are trying to say (unless something was changed), and there is enough room to fight while keeping the Dragon at the correct elevation.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You didn't watch the video clearly.

YOUR PET IS FACTUALLY IN FRONT OF THE DRAGON AT 11:40 IN THE VIDEO. It remains there for over a minute. You are so fucking ridiculous. In the previous video the pet was in front for far longer than that as well.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You've clearly never pulled WW Dragons either.

No, you clearly are just a bad puller. Hechaeva is right next to the water. There is NO reason whatsoever to use invis there. You are simply playing bad.

You're also contradicting yourself, as you lose invis anyway when pulling, and in the Bravatar video you are running through the middle of the fucking zone, instead of running the shorter distance to Bravatar from the cliff, where it's easy to what's coming and avoid it.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and in the Bravatar video you are running through the middle of the fucking zone, instead of running the shorter distance to Bravatar from the cliff, where it's easy to what's coming and avoid it.

I loaded the Bratavar video so I could see what the fuss was over.....and I don't see the fuss. He pulled a perfectly normal way, with two burrowers on one side, and too many roamers, including at least one roamer dragon, on the other side. The dragons have extremely large assist range so you need to stay unusually well clear of them. The pathing around there also tends to favor the east/west tracks for some reason so once it gets crowded it tends to stay crowded for a bit. That was a bit of a dice roll pulling it right when he did--I suspect he knew he was making a video and got a little impatient--and taking it a ways north was the smart thing to do in that circumstance.

The most irritating thing about the video was the constant use of third person easymode view and while it rubs me wrong I can hardly crucify him for that since probably most folks on P99 use it. Play first person like the game was meant to be played! I don't use mousewheel, I use first-person and F9 like intended.

Danth

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Show videos or admit defeat. You are just a noob who thinks he knows how to play[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] All of your "critisisms" are incorrect or were already explained by myself. Continuing to double down with text just shows how bad you are.

For people who want to learn, you invis at Hechaeva for two reasons: There is a long pather that goes right by her, and sometimes they are just out of visual range when you get close. You want to check for them and wait for them to path by before pulling. The second reason is because you can get extra cast time before hechaeva sees you when you uninvis, depending on the server update. It reduces the odds of your first spell being interrupted. This is true for all mobs, which is another reason why invising here is good. You want your first spells to go off asap.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Did a video using Zuranthium's suggestions, and it played out exactly as I have been describing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_Pro4F0B0I

My pet is pre-parked with haste.

The first issue that occurred while making this video is I was blind-sided by multiple mobs as I was cresting the cliff due to not being invisible, and had to gate. More time was wasted than saved due to the lack of invisibility. You can see the Wyvern Huntress attacks in the chat box at the beginning of the video. The reason why this happens is because objects do not block agro line of sight in outdoor zones.

The video shows the reduced visibility that occurs during snowing, and it nicely showcases one of the pathers that can come close to Hechaeva. Luckily it was an Ice Burrower this time, so it won't agro when I pull Hechaeva. It isn't always an Ice Burrower, and if it is a 4+ Dragon you have to wait until it leaves the area.

Malosini was resisted twice before landing, so I didn't "save mana" by not using Malo. I also used Insidious Malady instead of Decay since that is the same principle, and it was resisted once.

Total time saved was 3 minutes. The only reason why the last half of the video is shorter is because I got lucky and Hechaeva ran on to land rather than into the sea. This means I can kill her faster because I can re-apply my DoTs without getting line of sight blocked by the water.

I have another video that is 16 minutes long showing how to kill Hechaeva faster by rooting her instead of letting her run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLhe3KQXke0&t=0s This reinforces the 3 minutes saved compared to my normal strategy, because both were sped up by using spells in the last 20% of her life bar.

When killing WW Dragons for an hour or two, 3 minutes each will not give you enough time back to make another kill when taking into account recovery, running into position, pulling, etc. The riskier nature of this strategy also cost me more than 3 minutes in having to gate and run back.

This is the problem Zuranthium, you are simply thinking in terms of saving time on the kill, without thinking through anything else. As I said earlier in this thread, I could indeed shave a minute or two if I tried harder (these videos are not me trying hard at all), but in the end of the day it's a wash due to other factors. Consistency (Getting 3 kills an hour for example) is better than higher risk strategies that end up losing you a full kill due to bad luck.

The other thing you probably don't realize is my Shaman is fully raid geared. So it's a bit easier for me to attempt a riskier strategy, as I have more methods of reducing incoming damage (higher AC and Resists). Another reason why I prefer my safer strategy when making videos is because other Shamans will probably not have my level of gear. I would rather show a safer and more consistent strategy in my videos that is easier to use for lesser geared Shamans.

[oldschoolguy]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have another video that is 16 minutes long showing how to kill Hechaeva faster by rooting her instead of letting her run. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLhe3KQXke0&t=0s This reinforces the 3 minutes saved compared to my normal strategy, because both were sped up by using spells in the last 20% of her life bar.
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dude that's awesome

[Ripqozko]

DSM is basically UCF