most underpowered class in game?

[Gloomlord]

It's clearly Wizard. There are very little redeeming qualities to this class other than being raid DPS.

Horrible DPS in groups that is outpaced even by the knights. Mediocre soloing that is dependant upon SOME gear. Negligible utility other than mobilisation and evacuation.

They're so terribly designed, I have no idea what Verant was thinking.

[plzrelax]

I think at different points in the game different classes have various power spikes. Druid for example are very strong in their 20s, easily able to solo yellows. But by 35 or so, definitely by 40, shamans and clerics overtake them in their usefulness in groups and those nukes don’t seem to hit so hard anymore. My modest paladin was a superhero in unrest from 20-40 or so but at higher levels these twink monks running around are stronger in every way

[Loadsamoney]

Would've said Ranger pre-Velious, until they get Call of the Predator. Then they become an ADPS monster like Bard.

Is it just me though, or do most Bards get a bad rap for being lazy?

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would've said Ranger pre-Velious, until they get Call of the Predator. Then they become an ADPS monster like Bard.

Is it just me though, or do most Bards get a bad rap for being lazy?

Yeah Rangers aren't bad in Velious. They have CoTP and Weaponshield discipline, which allows them to tank in some situations. Trueshot discipline can also be decent DPS I believe, albeit for a short period.

As for Bards, I wouldn't say they are lazy. They are simply called that because other classes do not require as much effort as a Bard. Most bards are probably alts, which means most players aren't used to constantly weaving 3-4 spells. And if you aren't doing that, then you are not playing a Bard very optimally. Not saying Bards shouldn't learn to play their class better, but I think the number of players who main Bard is actually pretty small. So Bards more than other classes are just not going to be played as well.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah Rangers aren't bad in Velious. They have CoTP and Weaponshield discipline, which allows them to tank in some situations. Trueshot discipline can also be decent DPS I believe, albeit for a short period.

As for Bards, I wouldn't say they are lazy. They are simply called that because other classes do not require as much effort as a Bard. Most bards are probably alts, which means most players aren't used to constantly weaving 3-4 spells. And if you aren't doing that, then you are not playing a Bard very optimally. Not saying Bards shouldn't learn to play their class better, but I think the number of players who main Bard is actually pretty small. So Bards more than other classes are just not going to be played as well.

I would main a Bard if they would just make it a little more realistic and reasonable for a Bard to be able to get their Epic. It's stupidly and unnecessarily bottlenecked compared to most other Epics, and even if you can afford White Scales, it's SO HARD to find anyone willing to SELL them to you.

[Skarne]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would main a Bard if they would just make it a little more realistic and reasonable for a Bard to be able to get their Epic. It's stupidly and unnecessarily bottlenecked compared to most other Epics, and even if you can afford White Scales, it's SO HARD to find anyone willing to SELL them to you.

but it feels that much better when you finally get it! It took me a few years but eventually got the scales. I had everything ready up to that point and I had the epic in an evening.

You're right though...Bard epic is probably the hardest next to Magician. I actually think magician is a little harder than bard but that may be open to debate.

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by Skarne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but it feels that much better when you finally get it! It took me a few years but eventually got the scales. I had everything ready up to that point and I had the epic in an evening.

You're right though...Bard epic is probably the hardest next to Magician. I actually think magician is a little harder than bard but that may be open to debate.

Bard Epic is also BiS by far for them, never need to use another instrument. Even if it's a little less optimal, I would just twist with the 1.8 SSS permanently glued in my hand forever. Save bag space, save hotkeys and simplify play.

Also, maybe it's just me, but I feel like its design was inspired by the Master Sword in Ocarina of Time. Has a very similar looking hilt with a broadened blade that narrows at the crossguard, and even a gem at the point of contact.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Loadsamoney [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would main a Bard if they would just make it a little more realistic and reasonable for a Bard to be able to get their Epic. It's stupidly and unnecessarily bottlenecked compared to most other Epics, and even if you can afford White Scales, it's SO HARD to find anyone willing to SELL them to you.

I think a lot of people share this sentiment, which is one reason why Bards tend to be alts people play when they are tired of their main. Bards are like Druids in my estimation. Like Bards, most Druids are alts rather than mains. The difference is Druids don't require as much attention/skill as Bards, so it is less noticeable when a player is playing them sub-optimally.

[eqravenprince]

Bard song twisting is why I don't play Bard. Reason I would play Bard is to be one that does not swarm kite. Dumbest thing ever!

[Loadsamoney]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think a lot of people share this sentiment, which is one reason why Bards tend to be alts people play when they are tired of their main. Bards are like Druids in my estimation. Like Bards, most Druids are alts rather than mains. The difference is Druids don't require as much attention/skill as Bards, so it is less noticeable when a player is playing them sub-optimally.

If anything, I think that would be a much better change to Blue and would differentiate the two servers: Shorter respawn timers on Blue. Make it so, Lady Vox and Gorenaire for instance, respawns in 24 hours instead of a whole stinking week. This way people trying to get their Epics have a more realistic chance of accomplishing it, the price of MQ's wouldn't be so astronomically gouged, and big dick guilds wouldn't have to pencil push each other so hard for mob rights.