Rolling a SK or warrior

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ideally the OP just rolls a monk, honestly.

Best of most worlds.

I do agree. Monk would overall be better for OP's trio if we removed the requirement of SK or Warrior.

EDIT: Nevermind. Should have read OP's posts again. The reason why OP isn't rolling a Monk is because he already has a level 49 Monk. I would imagine if he just wanted to roll another Monk, he wouldn't be asking about SKs vs. Warriors in the first place.

[Bardp1999]

Monks are fucking TERRIBLE tanks until high lvl or fungi

Source: My first character on the server was a monk that i lvled to 60 untwinked

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Monks are fucking TERRIBLE tanks until high lvl or fungi

Source: My first character on the server was a monk that i lvled to 60 untwinked

You are correct. Monks take more gear to get going in the tankiness department, and generally monks are more expensive to twink.

But if we are using that argument, no tank is going to be spectacular in garbage gear, at least not until high levels with discs and good scaling on stats like STA.

[Keebz]

So I am a warrior, monk and SK, so let me clear some of this misinformation up.

The idea that warriors and monks are just _better_ group tanks because of doing more DPS is silly. The ench is doing 90+% of the dps. We're talking losing 3% dps maybe, while gaining snare, multiple fd's, shadow vortex, disease cloud, fear, etc.

Warriors and monks are better for raiding mainly because of discs. Disciplines are just broken for high end content where mobs hit for 500+. For grouping exp content on the other hand, SKs are just better tanks AND pullers.

For tanking, shadow vortex and disease cloud allow mobs to be tashed and slowed faster, prevent a badly timed charm break or resist from murdering your enchanter, etc. It's easy to say, "the enchanter and cleric can manage aggro with root and mez", but in my 10 years on this server, that fails 50% of the time, because someone isn't on top of it, or there is just very bad timing and/or rng. Having the tank be able to take some of the load off for aggro management is huge.

For pulling exp content on an SK, you just snare, FD, and you get a single mob. FD fails? Use a different FD. On a monk you tag, you wait, you stand flop, you wait for resets, etc. It's a whole thing. Very doable, but the SK/Necro split technique is just so easy and safe.

Labeling SKs as a weak raiding class is legitimate. It is hard and frankly unnecessary to pull off, but I've seen it done nonetheless.

I continue to suggest Warrior, as it opens up raiding and and tanking epic fights, etc. But SK is fun and valuable for group content.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Keebz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I am a warrior, monk and SK, so let me clear some of this misinformation up.

The idea that warriors and monks are just _better_ group tanks because of doing more DPS is silly. The ench is doing 90+% of the dps. We're talking losing 3% dps maybe, while gaining snare, multiple fd's, shadow vortex, disease cloud, fear, etc.

Warriors and monks are better for raiding mainly because of discs. Disciplines are just broken for high end content where mobs hit for 500+. For grouping exp content on the other hand, SKs are just better tanks AND pullers.

For tanking, shadow vortex and disease cloud allow mobs to be tashed and slowed faster, prevent a badly timed charm break or resist from murdering your enchanter, etc. It's easy to say, "the enchanter and cleric can manage aggro with root and mez", but in my 10 years on this server, that fails 50% of the time, because someone isn't on top of it, or there is just very bad timing and/or rng. Having the tank be able to take some of the load off for aggro management is huge.

For pulling exp content on an SK, you just snare, FD, and you get a single mob. FD fails? Use a different FD. On a monk you tag, you wait, you stand flop, you wait for resets, etc. It's a whole thing. Very doable, but the SK/Necro split technique is just so easy and safe.

Labeling SKs as a weak raiding class is legitimate. It is hard and frankly unnecessary to pull off, but I've seen it done nonetheless.

I continue to suggest Warrior, as it opens up raiding and and tanking epic fights, etc. But SK is fun and valuable for group content.

This guy gets it.

[Lampolo]

You can do every camp earlier and faster with more mobs in rotation

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can do every camp earlier and faster with more mobs in rotation

This is honestly preposterous. Right off the bat Fungi Tunic camp needs a dedicated puller (the enchanter is not going to do it). So this statement is false. Can you list specific camps that you feel will be better with a Warrior?

[Lampolo]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is honestly preposterous. Right off the bat Fungi Tunic camp needs a dedicated puller (the enchanter is not going to do it). So this statement is false. Can you list specific camps that you feel will be better with a Warrior?

My reply was to someone asking about xp camps, not fungi camp. Dont play dumb buddy, you knew this

[Crede]

Originally Posted by Lampolo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can do every camp earlier and faster with more mobs in rotation

An sk with a max 52/58 pet will likely out dps a warrior btw.

[Lampolo]

you guys dont have much xp in playing ench or cleric in this trio do you?