Enchanters didn't charm until PoP dire charm AA

[whydothis]

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From 2000, dude talks about enchanters charming in hate. Enchanters have always charmed in eq.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by whydothis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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From 2000, dude talks about enchanters charming in hate. Enchanters have always charmed in eq.

No one is saying "Enchanters never charmed in classic." Obviously they had the spell, and some did use it some of the time. But what everyone who played in classic knows is that charming here isn't like it was on live: it is vastly more common here.

Instead of a few brave Enchanters using risky techniques on dangerous raids ... with multiple healers around to keep them alive (ie. Classic) ... we have a huge percentage of Enchanters here soloing their way to 60, and then soloing great loot camps, with virtually zero risk (ie. not Classic). And we also have Druids, who were were root/rot and quad soloers on live, charming here because it's the most efficient XP method (again, not Classic).

And there is lots of evidence to back this up! I'm not talking obscure news group posts, I'm talking literally "one click away from the front page of Caster's Realm". What we don't have is any evidence that charm was as easy, safe, and powerful back in Classic ... because no such evidence exists.

[Snortles Chortles]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Avatar of War was killed initially because Kael Giants could be reliably charmed

Nother degenerate attempt to ruin EQ

[Izmael]

- Nobody did /who all dial and get a port in 30 seconds, yet the port code is the same here
- Nobody was swarming naked to 60, yet the swarm code is the same (ish) here

List could go on.

Unless you find a way to force people to unlearn what they now know, you will not go back to 2000 gameplay.

Power players teamed up and took down AoW with charmed pets in 2001. Power players use charmed pets to duo or solo level 45 mobs in HS for exp in 2021, big deal.

[beargryllz]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because it basically sucked

i played live from 1999 to 2005

i was crazy its the only thing i did

i know

charm should last 30 seconds at best most of the time even at 255 charisma until pop

Every single enchanter you knew was terrible

[Pulgasari]

Originally Posted by beargryllz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every single enchanter you knew was terrible

Yes! Terrible is classic!

[RecondoJoe]

Originally Posted by beargryllz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every single enchanter you knew was terrible

Nope, was the other way around. Remember having a single enchanter keeping 30 mobs in PoH simultaneously mezzed day in and day out.

It’s simple math, really. Why do larger schools football teams destroy smaller schools football teams?

When you had millions of people playing this game and COMPETING against one another, you end up with the best players in the world at the very top. You will never convince me that the top 5% of 2 million players who played this game during their prime, in an era where getting outperformed simply meant you lost are suddenly inferior to a bunch of disabled and unemployed grandpas playing the game 20 years later.

When I played a monk or rogue groups didn’t just invite you because they had a spot, there was usually 5-6 other monks/rogues looking for a group. I was notorious for stealing other groups pulls, which was legal. I pissed a lot of people off by doing this, and ironically one of the guys who cursed me out later asked me to join his group and even told his group that he thought I was an asshole, but he knew if I was in the group we would at least get plenty of mobs and that the other groups were being aggressive towards them. I was the type of rogue to literally follow you back to your group if you stole my pull and KS the mob from your entire group, and epic rogues could easily do this at the time.

The game was super aggressive and competitive and when you have millions of young, hardcore gamers you end up with the best players in the world at the very top. P99 community is far from the cream of the crop, and the best players wouldnt survive in real Everquest. They have a nervous meltdown over getting killed because they AFK at zone lines and die to trains.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nope, was the other way around. Remember having a single enchanter keeping 30 mobs in PoH simultaneously mezzed day in and day out.

It’s simple math, really. Why do larger schools football teams destroy smaller schools football teams?

When you had millions of people playing this game and COMPETING against one another, you end up with the best players in the world at the very top. You will never convince me that the top 5% of 2 million players who played this game during their prime, in an era where getting outperformed simply meant you lost are suddenly inferior to a bunch of disabled and unemployed grandpas playing the game 20 years later.

When I played a monk or rogue groups didn’t just invite you because they had a spot, there was usually 5-6 other monks/rogues looking for a group. I was notorious for stealing other groups pulls, which was legal. I pissed a lot of people off by doing this, and ironically one of the guys who cursed me out later asked me to join his group and even told his group that he thought I was an asshole, but he knew if I was in the group we would at least get plenty of mobs and that the other groups were being aggressive towards them. I was the type of rogue to literally follow you back to your group if you stole my pull and KS the mob from your entire group, and epic rogues could easily do this at the time.

The game was super aggressive and competitive and when you have millions of young, hardcore gamers you end up with the best players in the world at the very top. P99 community is far from the cream of the crop, and the best players wouldnt survive in real Everquest. They have a nervous meltdown over getting killed because they AFK at zone lines and die to trains.

by this logic the chinese should be the best at sports, they are not

[RecondoJoe]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

by this logic the chinese should be the best at sports, they are not

Not a good example. The average man in China is 5'5". The average American height is closer to 5'9". Not to mention that the Olympics mostly revolve around Westernized sports. I think even you would agree that there are significantly less Chinese citizens regularly practicing American Basketball, American wrestling, American Baseball, Shooting etc.

Just like there are significantly less Americans participating in competitive League of Legends or Overwatch, and thus, Americans get destroyed in these events as a result.

I used football specifically because it's a more narrow spectrum. Do you really think the reason large schools dominate small schools consistently throughout the entire nation is just a coincidence? Somehow bringing the olympics in as an analogy is just silly and weird. Especially when it involves mostly American sports that aren't even popular in Asia, and that greatly benefit taller players, something Asians are lacking.

Always felt that way about sports too, and that's why scholarships for sports are immoral. A black kid deserves to go to college because he was born tall, but not if he was born short. Where is the logic here? It's old and antiquated.

And yes, the top EQ players of 2001 are leagues above the top EQ players on P99. It's a weird comparison. As someone who played WoW 17 years ago and WoW today, despite putting siginificantly less effort into the game in 2020, I got gear I only dreamed of getting 17 years ago. And it's not because I got better at the game. I put so much more effort in 17 years ago and it showed.

You're delusional, old man.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by RecondoJoe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s simple math, really. Why do larger schools football teams destroy smaller schools football teams?

When you had millions of people playing this game and COMPETING against one another, you end up with the best players in the world at the very top. You will never convince me that the top 5% of 2 million players who played this game during their prime, in an era where getting outperformed simply meant you lost are suddenly inferior to a bunch of disabled and unemployed grandpas playing the game 20 years later.