DPS War - Yes/No

[Harm]

If I have another tank, sure you can join the group. Who is to say that I have a better DPS character at my beck and call? You have the benefit of wearing almost any armor and using almost any weapon, and have higher/same skill caps as the classes you're competing with DPS wise, and assuming you choose your gear for stats instead of AC/sta, you should be able to do "a lot" of DPS.

On another note, among us lowbies there is a serious lack of tanks in the 1-40 level range. I'm wishing I rerolled a shadowknight instead of the wizard I'm playing right now... I would never have to solo with my LFG tag on, which is what I do a lot of right now. Your main problem is going to be that you will be invited to groups with the assumption that warriors tank, and then you're going to say you don't tank, and then people are going to get upset with you.

[gnomishfirework]

Originally Posted by hrafn

i'd group with you. power gamers always TT when they encounter something unfamiliar. i grouped with a pally in unrest one night that pulled multiple mobs and feared the last mob to pull more.

Yea, that's not unfamiliar. That's idiotic. You have no control over the amount of mobs it will aggro, if any. I never fault anyone for playing unconventionally. I love it, but I do hate stupid.

Unless it's somewhere with very clear pathing or your group is capable of handling any amount of mobs, I cant see a reason I wouldn't keep root ready with that guy in group.

[Frytard]

Personally this is for a twink to mess around with. No one really gave a specific example of when they would or would not take a DPS War. Anyone 1-51 should not complain and take this DPS War as he would be well twinked and probably have better equip then most nontwinked rogue/monks. Only time someone should complain is in a kunark dungeon 52-60 where people are actually geared and make this little whore of a gnome useless.

[Frytard]

On second thought rogues blow till 55. Monks blow until Tstaff/RFS/Epic. DPS WAR FTW (until 55 rogue swoops in of course or monk who tried to call NBG for his 5-6 levels in karnors to get his tstaff but actually won it cause no one agreed to NBG)

[Seaweedpimp]

Originally Posted by Ostros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think one of (if not THE) first weapons to have an aggro generating proc was the warrior epic.

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[Messianic]

Originally Posted by orsk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

warriors can actually change armor as well as weapons and be a viable DPS option.

EQ doesn't really have "DPS warriors" (with the exception of your weapon choices) because changing between tanking gear has a really small effect on your overall dps.

Originally Posted by Frytard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On second thought rogues blow till 55. Monks blow until Tstaff/RFS/Epic. DPS WAR FTW (until 55 rogue swoops in of course or monk who tried to call NBG for his 5-6 levels in karnors to get his tstaff but actually won it cause no one agreed to NBG)

....No, rogues don't suck until then, nor do monks suck without a tstaff/rfs/epic. Just because it's not BIS doesn't mean it sucks. Monks still do craploads of damage and so do rogues, comparatively, to other classes at the same level and roughly the same gear value. I soloed very effectively in my 50s as a monk (most other melees would be hard pressed) even without a tstaff, rfs, or epic. Remember that peacebringer is just a hair under Tstaff in effectiveness and is much cheaper.

[Dantes]

I've rarely been in a group with a second Warrior - aside from planar raids when I get shafted in the "no exp" group. But in regular pickup group situations, almost never. Same goes for the Paladin or SK. The 2 tank group rarely ever happens. People would just rather have a monk or a rogue for DPS, or a mage, or a necro, or a wizard.

Having 2 tanks in a six man group is like having 2 bards, 2 clerics, or 2 enchanters. Why the hell would anybody want 2 when that other spot can be filled with good dps. Even with all of the best STR jewelry and gear, as a gnome you're still going to have less STR then a regularly equipped Ogre with AC gear.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Dantes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've rarely been in a group with a second Warrior - aside from planar raids when I get shafted in the "no exp" group. But in regular pickup group situations, almost never. Same goes for the Paladin or SK. The 2 tank group rarely ever happens. People would just rather have a monk or a rogue for DPS, or a mage, or a necro, or a wizard.

Having 2 tanks in a six man group is like having 2 bards, 2 clerics, or 2 enchanters. Why the hell would anybody want 2 when that other spot can be filled with good dps. Even with all of the best STR jewelry and gear, as a gnome you're still going to have less STR then a regularly equipped Ogre with AC gear.

Pretty much. These people can go through ifs and what ifs until they have to exchange keyboards, but the fact of the matter is at a difficult to semi-difficult camp requiring a 50+ 6 man group, people would rather wait for a proper dps than add a dps warrior.

[Knightmare]

Originally Posted by Bruno [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty much. These people can go through ifs and what ifs until they have to exchange keyyboards, but the fact of the matter is at a difficult to semi-difficult camp requiring a 50+ 6 man group, people would rather wait for a proper dps than add a dps warrior.

This post here is exactly what I was getting at. +1

It has nothing to do with being a min/max, power gamer, hardcore or anything like that. In some junk PUG outdoors, or an easy dungeon crawl, even in some raids, sure. Hell I've lvl'd up with 2 Sk's in the group, but we're just talking lvl 20-40 lowbie pugs in those cases.

For the harder or higher level ones like Bruno posted here. It's just not really effective use of the slot, or of my mana. If it's a harder run, I can't always spare alotta mana for a tank who can't tank, or an aggro machine who can't dump aggro [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And it would just suck for the OP to roll the Gnome dps warrior, then get to the higher lvls and be left out in the cold, or left behind for a dps with utility. Which, I believe, was the point of his poll. It has sparked nice debate though [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[baalzy]

I'd roll the DPS warrior for the S&Gs then once I got up to the point where mobs start hitting hard I'd switch over to Tank gear and keep a couple choice pieces of DPS gear on me for those 1 in a million situations where I have 2 tanks.

1-50ish if you twink out a warrior with the best DPS gear available, they're going to have more AC then your average warrior who dungeon crawled their way into gear. Tree weaves are cheap, high str, and are only beat by Incarnadine/Cobalt for AC (until planar). Mithril arms are only 2ac behind most other tradeables ect...

50+ when the mobs catch up and surpass your DPS mode AC is when you'd have to start focusing on your Ac/Hp/Resists.