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[Domo]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would you have done if you weren't in <Seal Team> and you wanted to raid PoSky? Not a rhetorical question.

I'm still waiting to hear what the competitive, player-based, non-GM-involved solution would have been. How would you get Spell: Summon Corpse? Or without it, how would you get enough keys to get enough people to Island Whatever to actually kill the mobs? Or without raiding Plane of Sky, how would you be competitive in Kunark? WellI'mWaiting.gif

If none of you can offer a solution, then I guess you're all just trolling.

I can speak only for myself and my english isnt the best, but I am going to try my best.

I am an old EQ Veteran, Ive had all the nice pixels during Classic already, so I am pretty chill when it comes to loot.
There are for sure some pixels in game I really like to have on my toon, but I am not in hurry. I know whats ahead of me and I just try to enjoy the ride.
And if there would be some other guild ahead of mine then I wouldnt be bitter. I would still try my best and hope the officers of my guild would do the same, but if there is a guild ahead of mine because they put more effort in their guild then mine then gratz to them.

People like to call Seal Team "poop sockers" and "no lifes" etc., but imo Seal Team is just better organized then The Federation, which been proved on some raids already.
I am not saying the Federation should put more effort into their guild (unless they want to), but if they want more pixels then thats the sacrifice they have to do. And if they dont want to put more effort into their guild then they should accept that they are #2 or #3 and accept it that they get the pixels slower or later.

As I mention before I am convinced that if there would be no Seal Team around then this post would be now about the Federation that they have a 150+ big zerg and that they arnt leaving any pixels for the other guilds behind them.

IMO there is no solution needed. If you're unhappy about the situation right now then make your guild better or send a application to Seal Team, but dont call Mommy & Daddy to fix it for you.

[Bones]

People tend to look at it the wrong way. Its not really about who is "willing to put in more effort" although the top guild usually likes to paint themselves in that light. The raid scene on p99 has rarely worked that way. Its has often boiled down to who is willing to be the bigger scumbags to come out on top by monopolizing key spawns (shiny brass idol anybody?), rule lawyering their way to free uncontested raid kills, pulling shady shit like dropping trains when their competition wins FTE race, etc, etc and on and on. "Effort" rarely has anything to do with it.

[Bones]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People like to call Seal Team "poop sockers" and "no lifes" etc., but imo Seal Team is just better organized then The Federation,

A single skilled guild will always be more organized than a "federation" or an alliance of multiple guilds. In b4 the federation merges into 1 big guild and start dominating content and seal team is posting here in RnF about how their competition only wins because they "zerg everything with 3x the numbers". And the cycle of the p99 raid scene wheel keeps turning

[drackgon]

Man how many times have we seen on green each week 1 target is zerged down by the guild who got FTE with naked bodies binding outside at ZL. I've seen Inny,draco,vox,naggy all multiple times by all guilds on green do this. So when I hear anyone say oh the other side is a zerg team is only reason they got kill I just laugh and giggle. But will say this generally speaking the smaller raid force guild that runs together and practices together all the time, will be the one who wins. That's just how every MMO works.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sounds like they were winning the competition to me.

Again, I do not think that words means what you think it means.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also legacy items are not about competition, so though I think we'd ahve been fine without lists, and probubly cherish our treasures more, there is nothing about those items that has anything to do with competition.. (OK well manastone could) but, obtaining those were like, things that players have wanted for 20 years, and it was pretty ok to give them a bone to get it if they wanted one.

But competition? Having lists? That's quite the opposite of the definition. So yeah, I just dont get it at all.

IMO holding down spawns should be a tactic, it requires dedication and teamwork and planning and a willingness to win.

AOE killing a zone or something game mechanics that are just broken, nerf that, but litearlly figuring out the spawn mechanics of a game designed to make players interact with each other over them?

Just seems wrong IMO add instancing, in the name of competition.

Do it in the name of wanting a easier game, but not in the name of competition.

In no way is this instancing...it’s not even close to instancing and your argument makes no sense.

You’re picking a really odd hill to die on here

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Arvan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its a form of instance. If you show up with your warmbody you get the camp/item given enough time regardless of other players.

No...it’s really not.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Domo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can speak only for myself and my english isnt the best, but I am going to try my best.

I am an old EQ Veteran, Ive had all the nice pixels during Classic already, so I am pretty chill when it comes to loot.
There are for sure some pixels in game I really like to have on my toon, but I am not in hurry. I know whats ahead of me and I just try to enjoy the ride.
And if there would be some other guild ahead of mine then I wouldnt be bitter. I would still try my best and hope the officers of my guild would do the same, but if there is a guild ahead of mine because they put more effort in their guild then mine then gratz to them.

People like to call Seal Team "poop sockers" and "no lifes" etc., but imo Seal Team is just better organized then The Federation, which been proved on some raids already.
I am not saying the Federation should put more effort into their guild (unless they want to), but if they want more pixels then thats the sacrifice they have to do. And if they dont want to put more effort into their guild then they should accept that they are #2 or #3 and accept it that they get the pixels slower or later.

As I mention before I am convinced that if there would be no Seal Team around then this post would be now about the Federation that they have a 150+ big zerg and that they arnt leaving any pixels for the other guilds behind them.

IMO there is no solution needed. If you're unhappy about the situation right now then make your guild better or send a application to Seal Team, but dont call Mommy & Daddy to fix it for you.

I think you and some others are missing the point here. This post isn’t about complaining that a top guild is zerging raid targets etc. It’s about the fact that a top guild is violating the PnP in order to take advantage of a non-intended cheesy mechanic (honestly I wouldn’t be surprised if it had been declared an exploit on live if it had become widely used) to ensure that they literally have no other competition during the raid. I’m all for guilds creating big zergs to ensure they stay at the top, that’s technically a form of competition because they’re bigger than the other raid force who is in the raid zone trying to compete. But basically gating everyone else out of being able to compete in the raid at all by not responding to tells to answer who is next on the camp rotation? That is really lame and not competition whatsoever.

[BlackBellamy]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What would you have done if you weren't in <Seal Team> and you wanted to raid PoSky? Not a rhetorical question.

If you need to do something you can't do yourself then you join or partner with an organization with the capabilities to do it. If you're unable to join that organization then you need to hire contractors or form your own organization. Failing all that, you need to examine the ROI for your goal now that additional costs have been revealed. What also would help is a postmortem where frank discussion would be needed as to what process led to the kind of risk analysis that allowed such unrealistic goals to proceed when the risk was foreseeable and mitigation measures were timeboxed.

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Another option is to forget all self-reflection and use contacts on the regulatory board and wherever else your entity has made political contributions to in order to force harsh compliance and investigatory costs on your competition, or just use them outright to promulgate regulations and laws which favor your failed business model over the efficient one that is outperforming yours. Simultaneously, a campaign should be launched where your competition is described (accurately) as being "under investigation".

Lastly, if you can get Amber Heard to date the leader of the competing concern, you have it in the bag.

The above advice is 100% valid for any problem you have in your life. Demonic and insane girlfriend is there just for the spice and is optional.

[unleashedd]

Originally Posted by BlackBellamy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lastly, if you can get Amber Heard

they always say dont stick your dick in crazy... sorry, but easier said than done