PoP hypothetical

[gnomishfirework]

Originally Posted by Shadey

Think you need an attitude adjustment as your just going nuts there. LOL And it was a GREAT expac. If you don't think so its your loss or you just couldn't keep up in game and felt left behind. LOL

And I liked Vex Thal raid zone. But thats just me. It was endless trash mobs to get to named. But we found ways to deal with that. As for PoK that was a PoP thing not Luclin. Luclin used the Spires to add portals from each continent.

How did you deal with the endless trash mobs in VT? I was the only ranger in my guild at the time, otherwise I probably would have skipped a shit ton of VT raids. Was painfully boring.

Do you mean some trick like using camped mages to coth (not sure that would even work, i just know my guild didn't do it).

[nicemace]

Originally Posted by gnomishfirework [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How did you deal with the endless trash mobs in VT? I was the only ranger in my guild at the time, otherwise I probably would have skipped a shit ton of VT raids. Was painfully boring.

Do you mean some trick like using camped mages to coth (not sure that would even work, i just know my guild didn't do it).

we did all sorts of shit. had heaps of camped mages. trained mobs out of way while whole raid runs past etc.

i loved luclin, and pop, and all the other expansions. good raid content > running round farming greens while you 'adventure' around the world.

[Harm]

Originally Posted by nicemace [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

we did all sorts of shit. had heaps of camped mages. trained mobs out of way while whole raid runs past etc.

i loved luclin, and pop, and all the other expansions. good raid content > running round farming greens while you 'adventure' around the world.

A lot of it was good with the following exception: Every time they raised the level cap they obsoleted all previous raid dungeons. Up through Luclin you progressed Hit Max Level > Kunark > Velious > Luclin. After PoP it went Hit Max Level > PoP. And it wasn't nearly as fun for anyone but the top raid guild on the server, where it was only equal, not better. And every time they raised the level cap after PoP it was the same, the previous expansion was obsoleted immediately.

The real kicker is that Velious had the best and most varied raid content of them all, and people would completely skip it once PoP was out. It was a crying shame. If I was designing a MMO, there would never be a level increase unless I had a mechanism in place to keep the old raid dungeons relevant and highly trafficked.

WoW has fallen into the same trap and they don't even attempt to care about it, which is a shame because they have to develop enough raid content to satisfy everyone every expansion. In fact WoW is so bad at this their content only lasts a couple patches, not even an entire expansion. This could all be avoided by requiring people to gear up through all previous expansions and this is what EQ1 did through Luclin, for the most part at least.

[Motec]

I reckon luclin without all the gay zones and bosses.

No bazaar. Wizzard and druid port to nexus and a single spire in EC only (with no ooc or shout in nexus so no faggots can congregate there like fucking luclin baby homos).

So Seru, no kitty at all or kitty anything, no mons whatever, no umbral whatever, no gayness like that at all. Akheva or whatever it was called, the zone with the THO, ssra and VT. Move the VT zone in to a wiz/dru spell or merchant port from Nro.

Anything that keeps the old EQ feeling, yet allows something to do and look forward to. Make VT less shit and a custom zone but leave ssra the same. It'll take a massive zerg to kill him but it'll be a huge event with so few aa.

40 or 50aa cap only.

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I reckon luclin without all the gay zones and bosses.

No bazaar. Wizzard and druid port to nexus and a single spire in EC only (with no ooc or shout in nexus so no faggots can congregate there like fucking luclin baby homos).

So Seru, no kitty at all or kitty anything, no mons whatever, no umbral whatever, no gayness like that at all. Akheva or whatever it was called, the zone with the THO, ssra and VT. Move the VT zone in to a wiz/dru spell or merchant port from Nro.

Anything that keeps the old EQ feeling, yet allows something to do and look forward to. Make VT less shit and a custom zone but leave ssra the same. It'll take a massive zerg to kill him but it'll be a huge event with so few aa.

40 or 50aa cap only.

Why EC? Make people work for it...keep it the Karana spire.aa It's already been said numerous times that cats on the moon isn't happening. For that I am happy.

[Motec]

Because EC rocks is why.

[Motec]

Acrylia Caverns
Akheva Ruins
Dawnshroud Peaks
Echo Caverns
Fungus Grove
Grieg's End
Grimling Forest
Hollowshade Moor
Katta Castellum
Marus Seru
Mons Letalis
Netherbian Lair
Paludal Caverns
Sanctus Seru
Shadeweaver's Thicket
Shadow Haven
Shar Vahl
Ssraeshza Temple
The Bazaar
The Deep
The Grey
The Maiden's Eye
The Nexus
The Scarlet Desert
The Tenebrous Mountains
The Twilight Sea
The Umbral Plains
Vex Thal

Ok kill off Acryilia, Dawnshroud, Echo, Fungus, Greigs, Grimling, Hollowshade, Katta, Marus, Mons, Nethblblblb. Paluluala cav, Seru everything, shadowweewewew, shar vahl (make it an arena), bazaar, the grey, maidens, scarlet, tenenensnenesbrous, twilight, umbral.

Luclin fixed.

[guineapig]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Totally agree, flagging had to be the worst thing that happened to EQ... I think it lost more people after PoP than any other expansion.

PoP was a huge success actually. They kept adding more servers around that time.

Let's see, if I had to pick between a system where my guild would have to spend days, weeks and sometimes months being flagged for a zone, or just schedule a single raid and flag up to 72 members at once.... yeah I would pick the flagging system.

Flagging actually made it feel like a guild was working as a team where as getting keyed was all about the individuals who had the most time on their hands for a video game.

If you think flagging sucks then you are most likely not working on your VP key right now.

[Ennoia]

Originally Posted by Motec [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ok kill off Acryilia, Dawnshroud, Echo, Fungus, Greigs, Grimling, Hollowshade, Katta, Marus, Mons, Nethblblblb. Paluluala cav, Seru everything, shadowweewewew, shar vahl (make it an arena), bazaar, the grey, maidens, scarlet, tenenensnenesbrous, twilight, umbral.

Luclin fixed.

Wow...you're kind of an idiot. I assume you also think Emperor and VT should be automatically open, since you seem like the kind of prick that wants everything handed to him.

PS- Flagging was awesome until the fuckshits unlocked everything.

[Motec]

Who said anything about making them open fuckstick? I was one of the first people serverwide in VT. Flags are fucking awesome. Ridiculous flags are not. PoP was shitgay*aids^10.

Seru bane and shissar bane farming was the bane of my existence though.

I'm talking about removing the fat from luclin, all the bullshit. The oldworld zones are amazing for levelling and fun, I even am scared to think of how shit all the zones will be when all the robots stroll into velks/that tower zone/that other zone in east wastes.

I generally hated the way you interacted with the game and the environment from luclin onwards. Velious was challenging. It was awesome being one of only a handful that could navigate the maze in skyshrine early days, or going into SG etc. Luclin was so anonymous and impersonal. Oh? Run across to here, click EB, run across here, zone in. Kill snake. Run here along wall, run here along wall, run here along wall... jesus kill me.