Merging Made Sense Then COVID-19 - Unmerge

[cd288]

Originally Posted by charliedoogan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my case I am not looking for an experience group. I am only looking for named groups because I need gear not exp. I have not been able to get Gear on the way up because I could only find experience groups. So what now?

I either get up at 4 AM and hope that my level 50 cleric can solo a camp, or buy the gear in EC. Which then... why play. I agree with turbo that level 50s handing off to level 50s is definitely an issue because even though I have been sitting in a camp for 5 to 6 hours waiting for a spot it’s simply not available because “my friend or guildie is coming to replace me”

And I totally agree that an extra server should not be a permanent thing. I just happen to see and I am reaping the detriments of this global pandemic

I mean, EQ has always been a game where you’re more likely to buy the gear than farm or craft it...

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by charliedoogan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my case I am not looking for an experience group. I am only looking for named groups because I need gear not exp. I have not been able to get Gear on the way up because I could only find experience groups. So what now?

I either get up at 4 AM and hope that my level 50 cleric can solo a camp, or buy the gear in EC. Which then... why play. I agree with turbo that level 50s handing off to level 50s is definitely an issue because even though I have been sitting in a camp for 5 to 6 hours waiting for a spot it’s simply not available because “my friend or guildie is coming to replace me”

And I totally agree that an extra server should not be a permanent thing. I just happen to see and I am reaping the detriments of this global pandemic

What has happened on Green is that all the people that "went hard" since server launch have amassed piles of plat and continue to bogart the...3? named cash camps on the server 24/7. All the nubs to the server are completely broke and can't afford to buy gear. They join ~~~rAiD~~~ guilds and invest in DKP instead, where they can just sit with 100 people on a ~~~~~rAiD~~~~~ and get planar drops. The server fat cats (and ~~~~~~~rAiD gUiLd~~~~~~~ cabal) continue to sit on their piles of plat and gouge each other on prices of droppable gear, which is what they have been doing since the launch of the server.

A large issue is that nubs don't really understand the "fine steel game" while leveling - going to find mobs that drop items that vendor for a good bit of plat. There is no other way to generate plat while leveling. Even still, you can sell a ton of fine steel while leveling and you won't have enough money to spend 15k+ between 3 pieces of black sapphire jewelry after you've gotten all the other gear you need.

If you want to upgrade? Specifically for a Cleric? Go to Kedge and kill some stuff with a buddy. You can get an Abalone Gorget and you can also get a Prayer Shawl. The Kedge drops are very difficult to get however, and they do not sell. People have been trying to sell the rare Kedge caster/priest drops for insane amounts of plat because the mobs can't necessarily be soloed and they require a lot of time investment. Still, you never get the "payout" that comes with the "efficient" 24/7 cash camps that continue to churn out droppables yet the prices continue to plummet (Efreeti, Guk King, Guk Lord, and Guk Frenzy). Can be soloed and has items for melees that always sell.

Also, Kedge comes with a massive caveat - - you have to be "good" at EQ to kill the mobs. There's a reason why Kedge isn't farmed 24/7. I quit the Kedge farm game a while back because there is simply no "payout." There certainly wasn't when i was doing it several months ago. Maybe the same people who had piles of plat then and have even bigger piles of plat now are paying 30k for Squallsurge and Prayer Shawls, but I highly doubt it. The Wiki price logs are completely fucked. New players certainly don't have that kind of plat for a minimal upgrade. They never will.

Really to answer your question of what to do at 50? Honestly? And not to be an asshole? Roll an alt. Also, you need to realize that gear isn't important. You don't need to go buy a Pearl Kedge Totem. You don't need Black Sapphire ears. Go get a Skull Shaped Barbute, its really good and really cheap now.

The issue is is that the min/maxers and perennial server assholes have anything "valuable" on this server 24/7 rotated camped, including green mobs that drop anything halfway decent. There's a reason clickies were nerfed. There's a reason the highest value droppable item only sells for 10k now. There's a reason that Mithril 2handers went from 30k when they were first dropping (Nub Team price gouging their own guildies) to 7500 today, barely.

If Teal is relaunched it will just be the same shit, different server. And it will be the same people that are on Green doing the same camps and they will be two-boxing. Levels and toons are far more valuable than gear. When Kunark comes, and it will be a complete and absolute shitshow, things will open up a bit as far as gear availability is concerned. Between getting levels, getting keys, getting the necessary droppable upgrades, still attempting to bogart every single pop, not having Chardok AOE to crank alts to 60, and squabbling with other people the ~~~~~~~~~~~rAiDeRs~~~~~~~~~~~ have their work cut out for them.

[kjs86z]

Blue server is great for a group of static friends!

[Rick Sanchez]

This is what made the original project 1999 release the closest thing there was to reliving the EQ experience. The population probably had something to do with it as hovered around the 500 mark, with initially having trouble breaking 200. It wasn’t 100% classic per say(getting full mana and health when you leveled etc) but the community was classic, everyone helped everyone, wasn’t toxic and the boards we’re memorable instead of filled with stay at home son’s that play this game like it’s there real life career. Some may argue that old servers back on live had thousands of people, yes that may be true but the entire population didn’t know what the fuck they we’re doing. This population knows everything there is to know about classic. Having another server was a good thing, I’d rather have two healthy servers then one toxic sewer. If for some reason (which highly unlikely, looks at red server still running) it’s a money issue I’m sure people wouldn’t mind donating to give themselves a much more authentic classic experience. Those two servers would fill out nicely, moving forward I don’t think population would ever be an issue. In the long term you wouldn’t have all the petitions about insignificant things and it would honestly lighten the load of the staff.

[charliedoogan]

Tulgin, While I agree with most of your thoughts... I have 1 level 50 and 2 level 49s. So the alt path has been taken. I have over 30k in the bank because I do understand the fortune of the fine steel. I make about 2k a day without thinking.

What I’m trying to say is that I want to play. I’m not a fan of sitting EC waiting for someone to have the piece I want or getting in 75+ person guild raid where my only relevance is to roll a high number or bid DKP more than someone else.

So yes I agree with your kedge sample, but when I have everything I want from there (which now I do)....

Again, I get the wait. I get the camped camps. I get that this will always be. It just seems in the last month that once every blue moon open camps have turned into perma-camps.

I still think that opening a new server would help with this over abundance of people playing for the interim. just for the interim.

And someone else said it... when Kunark comes out.... sure. So merge back the servers when that happens. Or when this virus BS is over.

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by charliedoogan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

. What I’m trying to say is that I want to play. I’m not a fan of sitting EC waiting for someone to have the piece I want or getting in 75+ person guild raid where my only relevance is to roll a high number or bid DKP more than someone else.

Well my dude you hit the nail on the head and it's a much bigger problem than simply opening another server - the culture of P99 has shifted so much since launch that nobody wants to "just play."

People came from WoW to this game now years ago and their only understanding of Everquest is what you have very accurately and succinctly pointed out as ~~~~~rAiDiNg~~~~~. They just get in line and bid DKP with no second thought. That is "playing" to them.

To a lot of old school EQ players who are excellent players and have encyclopedic knowledge yet don't have the same time they used to and/or don't give a shit about poopsocking dragons for DKP this is -not- their idea of "playing."

So idk, it's a tough situation really. Splitting and merging again won't happen and it would create a ton more toons for the ~~~~~rAiDeRs~~~~~ to have for their ~~~~~~~cOmPeTiTiOn~~~~~~~

I want to "just play" too and I do my best to do so. Which is why I have a pulse on how broke the "hoi polloi" is as well as the painfully evident shift in server culture. It's a tough spot man, the problem won't be "solved" because the average player on this server is fundamentally different not only than in 1999 but also in 2009.

[Bigsham]

Originally Posted by charliedoogan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tulgin, While I agree with most of your thoughts... I have 1 level 50 and 2 level 49s. So the alt path has been taken. I have over 30k in the bank because I do understand the fortune of the fine steel. I make about 2k a day without thinking.

What I’m trying to say is that I want to play. I’m not a fan of sitting EC waiting for someone to have the piece I want or getting in 75+ person guild raid where my only relevance is to roll a high number or bid DKP more than someone else.

So yes I agree with your kedge sample, but when I have everything I want from there (which now I do)....

Again, I get the wait. I get the camped camps. I get that this will always be. It just seems in the last month that once every blue moon open camps have turned into perma-camps.

I still think that opening a new server would help with this over abundance of people playing for the interim. just for the interim.

And someone else said it... when Kunark comes out.... sure. So merge back the servers when that happens. Or when this virus BS is over.

I bet this kid has NOTHING in the bank LOL

[charliedoogan]

Originally Posted by Bigsham [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I bet this kid has NOTHING in the bank LOL

Let me know what you want to wager and when you’re ready I’ll gladly take that money from you.

[Castle2.0]

There's a thread where you can vote to reopean Teal. Currently 470 YES votes.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=353144

[cd288]

As Tuljin said on page 5, relaunching Teal will just be the same shit on a different server. If you’re trying to farm, those things will be perma camped on both servers. That issue is not going to go away. The people will multiple high level characters will simply transfer one of their characters to Teal and leave another high level on Green and farm both camps simultaneously on two computers. This is a bit of a unique issue in modern day since back in 1999 people didn’t commonly have multiple computers with VPNs and multiple paid accounts; so it wasn’t an issue you had to worry about when splitting servers. Today, a server split won’t solve the valuable camps being perma-camped.

If it’s XP you’re looking for, there are plenty of XP spots. I haven’t had an issue XPing on Green since COVID. But if you’re trying to level in popular dungeons because you want a ZEM etc. then yes it’s going to be crowded and you might have to wait to get a spot in a group; that’s just a fact of life (if you’re a caster, bind there and then go solo some random stuff somewhere else and Gate back when your spot opens up).

What people really should be asking for instead of another server is for Kunark launch to be moved up to sometime in the summer instead of the fall.