Good fix Nilbog, but how about making this playable now?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by tylercanuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your opinion on the subject is worthless.

I'd argue that to the contrary, I'm far more impartial than any active raid participant.

It's like if a Democrat and a Republican are both telling you that something is right/wrong. Maybe one side is right, maybe the other is ... but you know both would be willing to lie to you (and probably themselves) if it helped their team win. And realistically, both are probably full of shit.

Meanwhile that anarchist sitting in the corner may be crazy, but at least he'll be honest with you.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Clearmind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Limit raid groups to like 60 and make it some what if a challenge.

So you gonna make unclassic rules on how many can raid?

-that was an argument brought up last time this was discussed. Your idea isn't new. However we are dealing with the new dynamic that "nothing on this server is classic so who cares what is classic or not??"

I would say Nilbog/Rogean do. They were probably tired of being jerked back and forth like all developers who interact with their players. I can't blame them when it goes on for years.. the very real thing that P99 players have advanced beyond what was capable of players in era.

Yeah, you could have a 60 limit that wasn't enforced via Felwite & Erudin level Elflawyering with restrictions and punishments that all are 'not classic' because it was self regulating at the time. No one had to bother. Dragons in NToV were not a problem because so few could do it at the time. This reality can never be escaped on P99.

[Tenderizer]

Originally Posted by RipVanFish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the raiding newbs among us, do people want dragons unrooted so they can be cheesed and killed easier?

What a way for them to experience classic eq. I can see it now the noob zones in and sits down, waits a bit and maybe does some buffing or something. Dragon shows up and....pixels. see's 10% of the zone and falls in love.

GG everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_A0s8vevY

[magnetaress]

Originally Posted by Tenderizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a way for them to experience classic eq. I can see it now the noob zones in and sits down, waits a bit and maybe does some buffing or something. Dragon shows up and....pixels. see's 10% of the zone and falls in love.

GG everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_A0s8vevY

yeap even bored housewives can have a blast with chucky

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Tenderizer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What a way for them to experience classic eq. I can see it now the noob zones in and sits down, waits a bit and maybe does some buffing or something. Dragon shows up and....pixels. see's 10% of the zone and falls in love.

GG everyone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv_A0s8vevY

If you take Hyjals story as truth, I was on BB and remember Club FU ROV and AO. I was in a smaller non-raiding guild but I do recall Club FU and Ring of Valor having drama.

So what we have, according to the story, is that a small Euro guild found a means to bypass the bigger raiding guilds and get the cookie. An exception is cool when it is the exception but it became the norm on P99. Since there are few secrets on this server it became standard operation for all guilds involved.

Club Fu woke the sleeper to keep AO from getting warder loot, sorry they didn't get warder loot.

A solution that would allow for a scenario like Hyjals to play out would be wiping blue. A restart takes place where it doesn't follow the classic timeline. A year from Classic- Velious before the next wipe+restart.

That would allow him and a crack elite team to power through the base game, because that stuff is in the way of raiding, and get into NToV to have at it until some upstarts come along. Then its time to wake the sleeper, then disband as champs for that server cycle.

[Mblake81]

Note: There should be a disclaimer for new players that the base game is as close to classic as it gets but original everquest can never be remade.

Well, maybe if N&R only allowed brand new players on a server and let them experience it all with no wikis etc. I doubt it would last long though as this is driven by nostalgia, afterall original Everquest is minecraft-like. It took inspiration from Mojang.

[Hyjalx]

I would add this last notation or edit to #6

*Dragons starting from Aary pit (including Aary) must be killed beyond the last door entering North. This also includes Dozekar the Cursed remaining in the East Wing.*

I also forgot the other "cheese" so here is #8 (if this was removed already, ignore)


#8. Necromancer pets now become KoS when the owner Feign deaths in Temple of Veeshan.

For those who don't know what that is, its called cheese pulling using graft sight with a factioned necro. This may or may not have been removed. Hard to tell now with the dragons rooted.

[Hyjalx]

If we can't fix the mechanic, graft sight needs to go the way of levitate in ToV.

[Hyjalx]

1. Unroot the dragons
2. Only 1 toon for each entity allowed in north at a time or DQ
3. Get rid of pet tracking if not already. Ranger/druid/bard + facetrack only (Lokk time!)
4. Ban the use of Earring of Frozen skull or increase the recharge rate dramatically if not done already (I own 2, gulp).
5. Ban the use of Kazumi for group FTE attempts
6. Dragons starting from Aary pit (including Aary) must be killed beyond the last door entering North. This also includes Dozekar the Cursed remaining in the East Wing. Ikatar, Eashan, LTK, Gozz and Telk may be pulled to entrance or exit.
7. Minimal CSR. Determine infractions if time permits or within an acceptable time frame once all evidence is collected. Concedes on the next x4 on the specific dragon in question for infractions. Concede x3 if admitted before a review is conducted by staff.
8. Graft sight removed from being used in Temple of Veeshan.


The only part that I'm not 100% sure about is Dozekar staying in East. I mean, I personally don't remember anyone pulling him to entrance, but due to proximity like the others I listed, it probably should be considered. Everything else besides Eashan, Ikatar, Telk, Gozz, LTK, and Dozekar was fought around the corner before Aary stairs or deeper in north. It's just the way it was.

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm saying it's part of the dam game. If ya don't like it play WoW. Everquest wasn't meant to be this Carebear 2020 version. You either adapt or die.

Take your own advice.