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[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The blue playerbase, not the red one, is the reason had to spend his time making this btw. Otherwise, you Antonican MAGGOTS would have destroyed this fresh roll up with cooking the books on lists and handing off only when non guildies had given up and logged. Or lies about what dropped etc. I can only imagine.

You're absolutely right. This wouldn't happen on red. Could you imagine? A server with enough people to form a list.

[Teppler]

I don't like the idea of blaming the common people for common people behavior. I've been arguing that the system of rules is wack for a long time. The consistency isn't there..... Which allows for GMs and Guides to be flexible in situations but it also will create a lot of hurt feelings over the inevitable inconsistency. People are simply trying to compete to improve their character. No one wants to run around dying with a level 1 character forever. People derive fun from winning and improving. Is Super Mario fun if you never make it past the 1st level?

Things are very limited in classic with only so much to camp. People competing hard for them was going to be an inevitability.

[Secrets]

You can make programmed systems that police themselves in the spirit of classic that weren't possible or thought of back in the day.

It's like baseball's robo-umpire system that a lot of people push for; the technology is there and people want to replace humans because humans will get things wrong where a machine will not. I mean, if you watch baseball you'll see that we have the tech. The broadcasts often show pitch replays and constantly show where an umpire got a call wrong.

/list is the EverQuest version of Robo-Umpires. You don't want it because it'll stop you from being a scumbag making biased decisions, but it's needed to remove human error from the equation.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The blue playerbase, not the red one, is the reason had to spend his time making this btw.

God I hate agreeing with Red players, on anything. But you're not wrong:

8.2.3 Contested Spawn Complaints

When a complaint is received ...

On PvP servers, where players can reach a solution to the contested spawn situation, the CS Representative does not need to require the players to share the spawn.

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

/list is the EverQuest version of Robo-Umpires. You don't want it because it'll stop you from being a scumbag making biased decisions, but it's needed to remove human error from the equation.

Brilliant analogy! And just like with robot umps, many purists worry that "the devil is in the details" (eg. I don't think our "robot umps" are quite the equivalent of live ones ... if only because our's don't sleep). But once the details are hammered out and perfected, robot umps are clearly better for the game.

[Zekayy]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can make programmed systems that police themselves in the spirit of classic that weren't possible or thought of back in the day.

It's like baseball's robo-umpire system that a lot of people push for; the technology is there and people want to replace humans because humans will get things wrong where a machine will not. I mean, if you watch baseball you'll see that we have the tech. The broadcasts often show pitch replays and constantly show where an umpire got a call wrong.

/list is the EverQuest version of Robo-Umpires. You don't want it because it'll stop you from being a scumbag making biased decisions, but it's needed to remove human error from the equation.

Except for the fact that Robots can malfunction or break and then they will get stuff wrong think about that....

[Secrets]

Originally Posted by Zekayy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except for the fact that Robots can malfunction or break and then they will get stuff wrong think about that....

Have you found instances where /list wasn't working as intended? If so, have you reported the bugs?

[Frostback]

This poor guy back in the day spent a whole day trying to get a FBR..... I got six in a row the other day..... Lists seem to have worked similar in 1999 as they do here on p1999.

I spent 20 hours on Memorial Day weekend 1999 praying to Marr that Najena would appear only to slay elemental after elemental. I got the robe…and then promptly quit playing the game for the majority of the summer. I was burned out.

One weekend I camped the Ancient Cyclops spawn for 24 straight hours. In that time, he appeared once, after 7 hours. It wasn’t my turn to loot. I waited 17 more hours and never saw him again in that time. Powerful as Nenelar is, soloing the Cyclops placeholder for most of that time, I left exhausted and empty-handed.

The next weekend I camped the Arch Ghoul Magi for 20 straight hours. In that time the Magi appeared 8 times, dropping the Shining Metallic Robe twice. I was number 6 on the original loot order. Two ahead of me got their robes while the others gave up early. I camped at the top of the order for 12 hours only seeing the Magi only twice. On both occasions he had only silversilk leggings…not the robe.

https://web.archive.org/web/20001010..._after_50.html

[Hyjalx]

Yes, I get it Secrets. It's the same argument that can used with Fraps. Has it really made Everquest better? No it hasn't.

The game is worse off with staff implemented CSR mechanics. And that's entirely the problem.

Anyone who ever played on live knows that the servers govern'd themselves. It made for the best player experiences. It's not to be a scumbag, but to play the game it was actually meant to be played.

ROBO umps aren't used in baseball for the same exact reason. IT CHANGES THE GAME.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Hyjalx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The game is worse off with staff implemented CSR mechanics. And that's entirely the problem.

Yes, the game was so great prior to FTE shout messages, where it could be hours/days after you already distributed the loot when you find out from the GMs that rival_guild_monk001's javelin hit the mob 0.2 seconds before your arrow, so the kill belonged to them and the loot transferred.

/eyeroll

[Hyjalx]

Just because a technology is introduced, doesn't mean it has to be used. We have turned a 1999 game into a 2020 carebear version. We even rooted the fucking dragons. Really?

All of these implementations are staff related. Nothing to do with improving the game. I can't thank Nilbog, Rogean, and other staff members enough for making all of this happen, as I wouldn't even be able to relive all this with yall, but we have lost the concept of what made this game what it was.


We claim we want to cut down on the CSR issues, and instead, implemented mechanics that are centralized AROUND CSR issues, it's changed the game. I mean, look no further then Blue. And non-classic mechanics are creeping into Teal and Green now.

Gimmie a break.