List Integrity

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The makes a pretty gray area. Because the only reason I lost the ability to safely kill the camp was because Grakken joined. Then he left. Which means that guilds could join the list and groups then force people who were there for 20+ hours to have to leave which.... Seems silly. If Grakken didn't join the mage would have stayed until someone else showed up (you can look at the chat logs I posted to confirm this).

It's not a gray area. It just doesn't work in your favor, so you're trying to make up excuses for why you should be entitled to the drop from a camp that you can't handle. Nobody could screw over the #1 person as long as the #1 person can handle the camp on their own... just like you're supposed to be able to with every other camp.

Everyone else involved are dicks too. But you're still in the wrong.



Also this is all just fantastic. Lol.

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not a gray area. It just doesn't work in your favor, so you're trying to make up excuses for why you should be entitled to the drop from a camp that you can't handle. Nobody could screw over the #1 person as long as the #1 person can handle the camp on their own... just like you're supposed to be able to with every other camp.

Everyone else involved are dicks too. But you're still in the wrong.



Also this is all just fantastic. Lol.

Oh, can you link me to that rule? I didn't see it listed anywhere in the rules for /list that you need to be able to hold a camp solo in order to have a slot for it. If that is a rule I will make sure to level to a point where that is possible instead of the level that is listed.

Would still be pretty shady for someone to join a party then immediately leave it to try and push someone out of the list lol. But if that was a literal rule then it would make more sense then trying to force a rule that isn't there.

[Phaezed-Reality]

This is what pvp is for.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, can you link me to that rule? I didn't see it listed anywhere in the rules for /list that you need to be able to hold a camp solo in order to have a slot for it. If that is a rule I will make sure to level to a point where that is possible instead of the level that is listed.

But if you are just making up excuses then... I mean. Why? :P

It doesn't stop being a camp just because there are extra rules involved. Your situation isn't specifically addressed (yet) because...

Originally Posted by Aaramis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, to play devil's advocate here, what would stop a solo character from hanging out near camp (invis, itu, fd, rogue sneak/hide) and being #1 on the list, but not being able to kill the mob.
Along comes a group and kills said mob - does the solo person get the item, provided they weren't afk this whole time?

Am I reading this correctly?

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are correct. But your situation is unrealistic. These mobs will be permacamped as soon as players are within level range until the point they are removed.

... because Rogean didn't expect people like you would be a problem.

And indeed this wouldn't probably have come up except for the server split and the lockout currently being longer than the 7 days it's supposed to be, since both of those things chop down the number of people who would be behind you and possibly willing to help kill the mob.

[unleashedd]

so either come ready to solo it, bring a group, or dont come at all??? cause joining a group which is already there while being on the list last would result in crovax scenario...

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh, can you link me to that rule? I didn't see it listed anywhere in the rules for /list that you need to be able to hold a camp solo in order to have a slot for it. If that is a rule I will make sure to level to a point where that is possible instead of the level that is listed.

Would still be pretty shady for someone to join a party then immediately leave it to try and push someone out of the list lol. But if that was a literal rule then it would make more sense then trying to force a rule that isn't there.

Lol now you're just being an idiot and looking progressively worse here. You want to be able to list for something without being able to actually kill it and then expect/demand that other people help you accomplish your goal. That's not the way it works. Sure, people can help you if they want (kind of makes sense for them to since the faster things are downed theoretically the faster MS's will show up). However, they are not obligated to and if you hold up the list because you want to try and get a valuable item without being able to actually kill the mob then you're being a jerk/selfish. Also, the Guides have said you can be petitioned for doing what you're doing, so by all means go ahead and keep doing it and get yourself in trouble. Or, alternatively, go get a couple of levels and come back when you can actually kill the thing.

Btw, in your screenshots it looks like you mentioned the mob was yellow. Yellow mobs are not impossible to solo in EQ, just difficult/risky. So what it kind of comes down to is that you technically could kill the mob, but since it could also possibly kill you you're afraid to lost your spot (aka being selfish).

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by unleashedd [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so either come ready to solo it, bring a group, or dont come at all??? cause joining a group which is already there while being on the list last would result in crovax scenario...

I had a group. You can check the chat log. The mage was staying until we found a replacement. Grakken was that replacement. He then left the party and told me to solo it lol Then claimed I refused to help.

I had been at the camp for around 20 hours before he showed up.

[unleashedd]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The mage was staying until we found a replacement. Grakken was that replacement. He then left the party and told me to solo it lol Then claimed I refused to help.

neckbeards gonna neckbeard. this is how to literaly bump people off list#1 spot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] sad

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Crovax [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had a group. You can check the chat log. The mage was staying until we found a replacement. Grakken was that replacement. He then left the party and told me to solo it lol Then claimed I refused to help.

I had been at the camp for around 20 hours before he showed up.

And while he might be rude for doing that, there's no obligation for him to help you and you can't hold up the list because you're unable to kill the necessary mob(s) solo. Would you show up at like level 5 and expect to be able to hold down the number 1 spot on the list when you can't kill the mob? No, you wouldn't.

You're being selfish

[Crovax]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol now you're just being an idiot and looking progressively worse here. You want to be able to list for something without being able to actually kill it and then expect/demand that other people help you accomplish your goal. That's not the way it works. Sure, people can help you if they want (kind of makes sense for them to since the faster things are downed theoretically the faster MS's will show up). However, they are not obligated to and if you hold up the list because you want to try and get a valuable item without being able to actually kill the mob then you're being a jerk/selfish. Also, the Guides have said you can be petitioned for doing what you're doing, so by all means go ahead and keep doing it and get yourself in trouble. Or, alternatively, go get a couple of levels and come back when you can actually kill the thing.

Btw, in your screenshots it looks like you mentioned the mob was yellow. Yellow mobs are not impossible to solo in EQ, just difficult/risky. So what it kind of comes down to is that you technically could kill the mob, but since it could also possibly kill you you're afraid to lost your spot (aka being selfish).

Name calling is always the best way to start an argument. When your argument has no real substance.

Again. I never expected/demanded anyone to help me kill anything. Your whole starting premise is based on a lie.

And ya, I never said yellows are impossible to solo. I specifically stated multiple times that I could kill it if I am lucky on resist but it would be dangerous and unnecessary. The only reason I ended up in that situation was because of Grakken. And I spent that time sending tells to people and looking for more people in discord. It wasn't until a few more people showed up and then we went back to killing it.

And Grakken had trained me earlier and then a monk showed up and they kept trying to pressure me into pulling. So I felt the safetest measure was to wait until I had people around who I didn't think were going to try and kill me lol