Miscellaneous: Potential Bug with No Manastones Dropping

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Sunderfury [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do not believe there is no additional evidence out there personally, especially considering how valuable this item was to classes. Bound to be some old guides / guild pages out there somewhere.

So I would like to comment about this bit.

When I had 'learned' about Manastone, it was being kept secret by players. Eventually the secret got out as most do but I remember players trading Manastone information.

Finding out where drops came from was not easy, you needed high level friends that liked you so they would tell you what you had to do. Manastone was hidden for a long time as people camped them without spilling the beans. I am lucky that I was behind the initial leveling curve that I had friends with people who were Bristlebane's first lvl 50ies so as they leveled I got the foresight into the dungeons they previously leveled in.

Basically my rambling point is, I dont believe you will find a ton of evidence about Manastone statistic or guides. It was kept extremely close to the vest and only a few sets of players who leveled up ahead of the curve really took advantage of the camp before they were removed. There was not a mad dash to get to Lguk like we have now, many items were still undiscovered and being found out by the time Manastone was halfway tru it's shelf life. There was also no loot message in the game when Manastone was dropping so people will not have any data in terms of logs about how many were looted over time.

[Erati]

I camped these on live in a normal group and by the end of the night we each basically got a Stone ( was 4 of us )

I know sample size etc but this was a normal LGuk 'rare' item which can go on streaks as we have all seen back to back SMRs, Yaks, FBSS etc. I actually think the drop rate wasnt even that rare considering I dont remember returning to camp often, if we returned at all. We even had an 'extra' Manastone drop that I looted for my brother to give him bc he was too low lvl for Lguk.

[WaffleztheAndal]

No one wants a server flooded with manastones. Keep it rare.

The fact Teal means we’re going to have literally double the manastones after the remerge is bad enough.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by WaffleztheAndal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one wants a server flooded with manastones. Keep it rare.

The fact Teal means we’re going to have literally double the manastones after the remerge is bad enough.

It's still a rare drop, I am not sure I follow your logic.

You can literally say the same thing about Yak,SMR,FBSS as they all should have same drop rate as Manastone but no one is crying about the server being 'flooded' with those Lguk items.

Its no different minus the fact it gets removed later but that shouldnt be a factor in the drop rate in a classic relaunch.

[WaffleztheAndal]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's still a rare drop, I am not sure I follow your logic.

You can literally say the same thing about Yak,SMR,FBSS as they all should have same drop rate as Manastone but no one is crying about the server being 'flooded' with those Lguk items.

Its no different minus the fact it gets removed later but that shouldnt be a factor in the drop rate in a classic relaunch.

The manastone was removed for a reason, it’s busted op. Imagine a server flooded with them having been on permanent camping across green and teal with a 20% drop rate. Not to be rude but that’s way, way too much of a broken item.

[Daldaen]

Outside of druid/wizard almost no one uses them on Blue currently and it’s certainly not a make of break item. Just a flavor item people want to play around with.

Soulfire/Reaper being clickable by anyone is far more of a balance concern on a server compared to Manastone. Some Druids / wizards being able to port to classic and regain full mana in reduced time before gating to Kunark or Velious is far less valuable than being able to instantly CH yourself or anyone near you in any zone any time. Just as one example.

Had Manastone not been nerfed to be limited to classic zones I’d agree with you, but the nerf to limit the zones it works in balances the item out.

[Hagglebaron]

I feel like having almost every other cleric, Druid, Necro etc walking around with these things will really take some of the air out of the classic sails. These classes basically won’t have downtime and will have less reliance on working with others to tackle content. Let’s avoid that kind of inflation on the fresh classic server we’ve waited ten years for please.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Hagglebaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like having almost every other cleric, Druid, Necro etc walking around with these things will really take some of the air out of the classic sails. These classes basically won’t have downtime and will have less reliance on working with others to tackle content. Let’s avoid that kind of inflation on the fresh classic server we’ve waited ten years for please.

That wont happen even if the drop rate is normalized.

Is everyone who camps AM getting a robe after 1 session? Usually not, same w other rare loots but at least its possible and likely to see a drop within 20 hours unlike this unclassic madness.

[Daldaen]

I mean half the server being an Enchanter, druid, mage or Necro is itself pretty wind in classic sails killing as far as immersion goes.

People know more now and will play the game differently than people did 20 years ago. I know people want to have a classic experience of seeing someone use a Manastone or a Guise or a Pegasus Cloak and be awed because it was a rare sight back in the day to find someone who possessed these items. But their rarity wasn’t due to the drop rate but the knowledge of where they dropped and in the cases of legacy items how briefly they dropped.

If you want that classic awe wait until Kunark and look for mage, Necro, wizard, Enchanter and warrior epics. Those will be classicly rare due to how rare the raid pieces were and the RESPAWN time on those raid mobs.

[Deliverator]

I love how people are concerned that this item is game breaking. 1) It isn't. 2) The drop rate on blue was the same as it is on green and teal. So basically if we had the CORRECT drop rate we would STILL have fewer manastones (once all servers are merged) than we should have.