Any good guides for GINA?

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To prevent new people coming here for Green from thinking that players here are cheating when they are not.

Devs: you're not supposed to have this functionality.
GINA users: okay well I'm going to use another program to have it anyway.

It's using a third party program in order to restore functionality what was specifically removed from the client by the devs, and then some. You can argue all day long about how you don't think that's "technically cheating" but you're still going against the spirit of the entire project.

[Tecmos Deception]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You had log readers...that created graphical overlays to display real time game information on top of the game?

Of course not. I never said I did. You just apparently missed the usual meaning of a phrase like "this is pretty _____" and instead decided it means "this is exactly _____."

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs: you're not supposed to have this functionality.
GINA users: okay well I'm going to use another program to have it anyway.

It's using a third party program in order to restore functionality what was specifically removed from the client by the devs, and then some. You can argue all day long about how you don't think that's "technically cheating" but you're still going against the spirit of the entire project.

You're on a roll with making up meanings for words, eh?

The staff never said they don't approve of real-time log parsing.

This wasn't cheating in classic any more than using voip, the prima strategy guide, or a cable modem. Just because a lot of people typed to talk, didn't have a strategy guide, and used dial up doesn't mean the other stuff were cheating. And today we have more refined and powerful versions of these things: discord, the wiki, high-speed internet. Just like we used to have log readers that few people used but that could function quite similar to GINA... and today we have GINA.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by solleks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like to let my buffs wear off all the way and have someone ask me multiple time before replenish. More mana efficient than an elderly robot hooker telling me before they even wear off.

Now that's classic... /beg for buffs from groupmates for 10minutes.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Tecmos Deception [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course not. I never said I did. You just apparently missed the usual meaning of a phrase like "this is pretty _____" and instead decided it means "this is exactly _____."

If all that GINA did was read the log nobody would have a problem with it and you know that. Nobody is in here saying that DPS parsers should be banned. A plain old log reader and everything that GINA does are worlds apart.

[bum3]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs: you're not supposed to have this functionality.
GINA users: okay well I'm going to use another program to have it anyway.

Exactly.

[Niedar]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs: you're not supposed to have this functionality.
GINA users: okay well I'm going to use another program to have it anyway.

It's using a third party program in order to restore functionality what was specifically removed from the client by the devs, and then some. You can argue all day long about how you don't think that's "technically cheating" but you're still going against the spirit of the entire project.

If it was specifically removed from the game they would have removed logs but they didn't cause it classic. /thread

[DMN]

My guide:

1. Burn it with fire
2. Piss on the ashes

[bum3]

Life was better before DPS parsers. People just played to have fun. DPS parsers allowed min/maxing to ruin some of casuals fun. In WoW... when a deathknight could out tank, out heal, and out dps the group... 90% of groups where deathknights. Not fun. Same for EQ2... dirges top parsers... to the point of neglecting what they were intended to be.

[El-Hefe]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think anyone is attempting to make the argument that altering greens forced UI is "cheating".

I would, I think the developers would, too.

That’s why they’re forcing a UI that gives you less information and accessibility.

Your argument comes down to arguing semantics and the “definition of cheating”. It’s like arguing the letter of the law while completely ignoring the spirit and intentions of which it was written.

Like I’ve said a million times, you can rationalize anything and argue semantics until your face turns blue.

But that shit is cheating, using third party programs that read game data and use it to give you an advantage over people who don’t use said program is cheating, full stop.

[kylok]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Devs: you're not supposed to have this functionality.
GINA users: okay well I'm going to use another program to have it anyway.

It's using a third party program in order to restore functionality what was specifically removed from the client by the devs, and then some. You can argue all day long about how you don't think that's "technically cheating" but you're still going against the spirit of the entire project.

I see it as:

Devs - we finally figured out how to make this UI more classic.

Clever players - we found a way to augment the information provided by the UI that doesn't inject code or violate the 3rd party app rule.

Pardon me if this is pedantic, but a log parser is not restoring function to the UI as it does not alter the UI. If it did, that would likely violate the server rules. Instead it creates separate windows that can be placed anywhere a user chooses, even "on top" of the game window if running in windowed mode.

As far as the spirit of the game goes, everyone plays their own way and I feel they should get to do that as long as it's within the server rules.