Convenience Features on Blue?

[Halfcell]

Originally Posted by Mblake81 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Strip out all of the RPG elements, add in MTX for ease of leveling. Essentially what P99 is not, just use the titanium client with no mods. Don't forget the mercenaries. Also add in twitch streaming functionality and see if one of the popular young artists will do up some commercials on TV to promote it.

(no troll, illness with modern gaming..why the hell am I here still.)

I feel like my post was pretty measured, fair, and completely unrelated to this idiotic list of straw-man crap. Custom UI's, pet windows, tab targeting, item links, and extra hot bars are examples of QoL changes that in no way made the game worse. They made it less classic, for sure though, which was my point.

I don't think you actually understood my post, to be honest. Next time reread something a couple of times before you respond. Clearly you need a few tries.

[Fammaden]

How long was corpse looting tied to consent? When on the timeline was that removed?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How long was corpse looting tied to consent? When on the timeline was that removed?

Not long. http://wiki.project1999.com/Patch_Notes could tell you, if the wiki was up.

[Thomacles]

Item link, intro'd Sept '02, not classic. Not needed. I'll ask you again, why some QoL's and not others? You absolutely cannot claim "classic" with item links. The currant state of the game is "classic-ish", nothing more. This IS a black or white situation. It either IS classic, or it is just close to classic.

Guess what.....It's the latter.

I also see they make you levi on boats....Not classic
I also see the shark no longer jumps up on the deck of the boat....Not classic

The list keeps going. Obviously people want to pick and choose, and ignore other stuff.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Thomacles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item link, intro'd Sept '02, not classic. Not needed.

See there's that ignorance again. Live had a team of paid GMs supporting their servers, plus an order of magnitude more "guides" (who were paid with free game time). Project 1999 is in fact forbidden to take money, which means they can't pay anyone to do anything.

That means we're stuck with an all volunteer customer service team, and you know what saves that team a whole bunch of time (that they'd otherwise spend dealing with fraud), allowing them to help players with actually important stuff? You guessed it: item links!

Originally Posted by Thomacles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also see they make you levi on boats....Not classic

This is an example of a technical limitation. Look not even Verant could make the boats work right: if you look through old forums you'll hear lots of tales of people falling off and needing GMs to help them.

But again, our support team has more on their plate than just fishing people out of the ocean. Levitation on boats ensures people don't have that happen.

Originally Posted by Thomacles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also see the shark no longer jumps up on the deck of the boat....Not classic

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Not even sure what you're talking about, but maybe that's a function of them needing to use different boat models (again, to keep people from falling out)?

So now what? You were ignorant, but now I've educated you, so you can't keep claiming ignorance. If you really want, you can lob some more unclassic stuff at me. I compiled like half the Non-Classic Compendium page in the wiki, so I can do this all day (although it'd be more efficient for you to just wait for the wiki to come back up and read it yourself).

Or you could admit you were ignorant before, and ignorance is no one's fault, but now that understand more you've changed your opinion?

[Danth]

'Cept the admins do get to pick and choose because it's their host, their code, and their right. I don't always agree with the decisions they make either (for example, I'd have patched out nonclassic mouewheel view scroll as soon as fix came available) but as players we pretty much either like it or lump it. P99's done pretty well for itself over the years.

With respect to the ships, the levitate thing exists solely because the ship 3D models are broken on our client and people fall through 'em. That's also why the old-world ship uses the sort-of-functional beta model and not the totally-broken classic model. Give them properly working ship models and we wouldn't have auto-lev. That's a case of necessity trumping preference.

Danth

[Thomacles]

Loramin, calling someone ignorant isn't doing you any justice. You are making my point for me. I listed absolute unclassic things that are currently in game. You ADMIT to the changes, then go about stating "the reasons" why the changes were made. Bottom line: You confirmed what I have been saying all along.

You keep calling me ignorant, trying to invalidate my claims. Yet I can produce verifiable evidence and documentation on my claims.

I'm guessing we may be having a touch of the Dunning-Kruger effect happening here.

My only claim was that they already changed stuff from classic already. You claimed it's classic, but they changed ABC because of XYZ. But the core argument remains....

It's been changed from classic, for whatever reason.

"But they had to change stuff because they didn't have paid GMs!"....and that has what to do with anything? That just states the reason they CHANGED it to begin with, but in the end it was indeed changed.

(I cannot believe you ever played the original game if you never heard of, or encountered, the infamous Erudin's Crossing deck-shark....REALLY???)

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Thomacles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin, calling someone ignorant isn't doing you any justice. You are making my point for me. I listed absolute unclassic things that are currently in game. You ADMIT to the changes, then go about stating "the reasons" why the changes were made. Bottom line: You confirmed what I have been saying all along.

You keep calling me ignorant, trying to invalidate my claims. Yet I can produce verifiable evidence and documentation on my claims.

I'm guessing we may be having a touch of the Dunning-Kruger effect happening here.

My only claim was that they already changed stuff from classic already. You claimed it's classic, but they changed ABC because of XYZ. But the core argument remains....

It's been changed from classic, for whatever reason.

"But they had to change stuff because they didn't have paid GMs!"....and that has what to do with anything? That just states the reason they CHANGED it to begin with, but in the end it was indeed changed.

(I cannot believe you ever played the original game if you never heard of, or encountered, the infamous Erudin's Crossing deck-shark....REALLY???)

Ok, first off let's be clear on the definition of an English word.

When I call someone "ignorant", that is not insulting them: I'm not calling them stupid, or a moron, or anything like that ... which is why I took pains to say that I was trying not to get mad. If I say someone is ignorant, I'm saying they lack knowledge, and you shouldn't get mad at someone just because they haven't learned something yet. You hadn't learned some important information about this project, so I shared it.

Originally Posted by Thomacles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm guessing we may be having a touch of the Dunning-Kruger effect happening here.

See now that was an insult (albeit a subtle and reasonably clever one).

As for the rest of your post ... can you basically admit that you're just mad the devs can't do the impossible?

Because your argument is "X isn't classic". But that's a stupid (not ignorant) thing to argue, if X is impossible to make classic in the first place.

It's not a wrong thing to argue (you are 100% correct that P99 has unclassic stuff) ... just stupid (because no one could possibly do anything about it: eg. no one can convince Daybreak to let us have paid GMs).

[Thomacles]

@Loramin No no no no. I am not mad at all, and I apologize if you felt insulted, my bad.

What I am saying, is they could indeed give us this QoL changes without the disruption of the game. It doesn't make the game easier in game mechanics. It just saves us time on the other BS that we could be using to actually play the game. My point was they already changed some of the classic stuff already, for whatever reason, so the "purity" is already gone.

All I really want is a dang keyring, so I don't have to mess with a bunch of soulbound stuff every time I loot. And I want a guildtool to organize a guild. The 2nd hotkey, i could care less. (Although the 2nd hotkey DOES affect the game mechanics. The guildtool and keyring does not.)

I guess technically, the pet box wasn't classic, but boy did I dance when Rogean relented and gave it back.

How would a guildtool and keyring effect the game? An in game map would be nice, just so I wouldn't have to be running a second comp/monitor. The maps are already there online. They weren't on the original game because, well, they were still being drawn as players explored virgin zones.

I know much of this is moot, as we are at the mercy of Nil and Rog, but I'm just saying it wouldn't hurt the game to give us a few very needed QoL to make the tediousness a bit more bearable. They have done this already, under the reasoning is it makes life easier on their end, I just don't see why they couldn't toss us a bone or 2. (I know this sounds insane of me, but that damned soulbound key shuffling really really annoys me.) The guildtool needs implimented because there really is no way to track who is who. If these are gamebreakers, I understand why they aren't put in, but not a single person has stated any reason they aren't in the game other then, "It's not classic." My response is, well XYZ isn't classic either." (For the reasons stated in the earlier posts.)

Once again, I apologize, as I know your EQ knowledge is far superior to mine, and I can't express enough appreciation for the wiki stuff you do. (Finish the damned MoB pop up feature!!) I am just saying I think there are things YOU don't know, or haven't considered. Once again, my bad, I should have been more clear on my expression of view. Please forgive.

[Mblake81]

Originally Posted by Thomacles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

@Loramin No no no no. I am not mad at all, and I apologize if you felt insulted, my bad.

What I am saying, is they could indeed give us this QoL changes without the disruption of the game. It doesn't make the game easier in game mechanics. It just saves us time on the other BS that we could be using to actually play the game. My point was they already changed some of the classic stuff already, for whatever reason, so the "purity" is already gone.

How can you guarantee even if the QoL is optional that the changes will not have temptation to others who don't want them.

Here is a joke but not a troll: If this was live in 2019 would these changes have a small price tag for them, like a sidestep the hardship MTX. "Hey you don't have to buy this. You can still be the sadist you always were. Don't worry about MY game while I buzz on ahead while you are steady hitting yourself with a barbed whip" in other words it sounds like a MTX argument. Why does gaming seem like being on the street corner with some drug dealer. Some test of will. Why am I bothering to play this game, I would rather be raiding.