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Old 09-11-2019, 09:39 AM
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Thanks for that data point chillwin!

Did you have 255 dex? If so you can separate out 7dps from procs (5.33 for mainhand) to see white damage vs white dmg vs the two. You didn’t use the tab that filters between melee and non-melee dmg which is fine (ie your max hit duel wield is the damage of your mainhand proc).

Offhand proc has a -100 resist mod so it can be generally assumed it will land most all the time vs most all targets excluding some raid stuff. The other proc, however, has a 0 resist mod meaning more frequent resists on any meaningful targets.

On a level 20 mob (as a level 60 player) with low ac and practically no resists the combo is 0.685% better than Abashi. If procs are completely taken away (they shouldn’t be but mainhand resists will happen) Abashi is 4.14% better on a level 20 mob. If you were to resist just 25% of mainhand procs (this is very generous on raid content) you lose 1.333dps which drops the duel wield below Abashi.

Or is FoN unresistable? I honestly don’t know. If so disregard above paragraph.

Regardless, As we’ve established (the math), the higher the mob level and the higher the ac the more the scales are tipped towards 2hand with the dmg bonus changes. That alone will have Abashi performing higher. Toss in any resists and the dual wield will again comparatively lose a bit of ground. It’s pretty safe to estimate performance vs performance on level appropriate and raid content but parses will be needed to confirm. I’ll be doing my part on higher ac Kael arena trash in the coming week or so to test out the ‘hypothesis’

Granted, FoN/BoF isn’t the same as FoN/Gharns. The latter is expected to be obviously better.
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Old 09-11-2019, 09:33 AM
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Looks like you're taking less damage with the two hander, too.
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Old 09-11-2019, 10:33 AM
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Yes 255 dex and str. Preproced avatar and kept epic up the whole time. Ring 10 + 2x aob. No other buffs.

FoN is nearly always resisted on raid targets because almost all are immune to changes in run speed. For bloodmaw there were no resists.
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Yes 255 dex and str. Preproced avatar and kept epic up the whole time. Ring 10 + 2x aob. No other buffs.

FoN is nearly always resisted on raid targets because almost all are immune to changes in run speed. For bloodmaw there were no resists.
Thanks brother.

If you want and are interested I have a 60 shaman with torpor. If the opportunity arises I could go to Kael arena with you to test differences on high mobs. Would plan on pulling a single higher con mob (preferably not rampage), slowing it, keeping you unbuffed minus maybe shaman haste. You beat it down to low then flop and let it regen up; rinse and repeat with option to.

The raw dps you do is not as relevant as the comparison between the two. Buffless helps to exclude other variables like epic click or avatar which may not remain up literally 100% of the time.

I predict the 2hander will actually (averaged over time) perform better against a higher level mob with higher ac.

If you’re willing, I can shaman for you.
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Thanks brother.

If you want and are interested I have a 60 shaman with torpor. If the opportunity arises I could go to Kael arena with you to test differences on high mobs. Would plan on pulling a single higher con mob (preferably not rampage), slowing it, keeping you unbuffed minus maybe shaman haste. You beat it down to low then flop and let it regen up; rinse and repeat with option to.

The raw dps you do is not as relevant as the comparison between the two. Buffless helps to exclude other variables like epic click or avatar which may not remain up literally 100% of the time.

I predict the 2hander will actually (averaged over time) perform better against a higher level mob with higher ac.

If you’re willing, I can shaman for you.
PM'd I have a couple hours tonight we can do some parses.
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:04 PM
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PM'd I have a couple hours tonight we can do some parses.
Ditto, we could wombo combo, I suggest jugs in seb
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Old 09-11-2019, 06:48 PM
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PM'd I have a couple hours tonight we can do some parses.
Moving my shaman Jolav to Kael now; will park him at 4way

for High ac parses i really do recommend kael. AC there is HIGH but more importantly mobs have insane regen. This allows you to get parse data on the exact same mob by letting it regen.
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Old 09-11-2019, 05:40 PM
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Ok i did some testing on 1hb, sorry i lost some buffs mid test, but heres my overall on Bloodmaw, considering hes green low AC doubt we hit that on raid mobs or high AC:

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(also note everytime BoF is Main Hand parse read 7 attempts in the same sec due to fast weap and triple atk)

Fist of Nature + Gharns 148.6 DPS
 
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Gharns + Fist of Nature 148.4 DPS
 
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Baton of Flame + Gharns 139.4 DPS
 
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Fist of Nature + Baton of Flame 138.1 DPS
 
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Baton of Flame + Fist of Nature 134.3 DPS
 
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Gharns + Baton of Flame 124.7 DPS (Bad Lucky? Lost atk buff mid fight)
 
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Blam + Gharns 122.6 DPS (Im not sure what to say, also had to cut early he ran)
 
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Old 09-11-2019, 01:07 PM
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Good stuff, Chillwin.
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Old 09-11-2019, 04:11 PM
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I have t staff and bo staff, and FoN and Sap encrusted Branch if you want to parse with me later I suggest jugs in seb, that's how we parsed wus primary vs wus secondary with epic primary and double wus.

Jugs are good because they are constant level ranges. I think they vary by 1 level and have high ac and decent hp pool
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