Was total BiS a thing during live?

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Supa Powa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Afterlife of Mithaniel Marr had many folks who had top end gear, most considered BiS even though there was not a specific cookie cutter idea such as that acronym. We did however have an endless supply of raiders which generated enormous amounts of DKP for the extremely hardcore within our core group. When we created the guild we also created the DKP system to enrich the success of raids and attendance while also increasing the gear progression. I can think of a number of people who had top tier gear, considered BiS for that time. Aftathott - Bard, Hobben - Rogue, Jenamdar - Shaman, Icks and myself (Supa) - SK, Greycloud and Waihung - Warrior. These are just some few examples of individuals who had the end game items. I would say from classic up until after PoTime our guild farmed everything end game regularly until the next new content came out, and even then we farmed anything older which still provided upgrades or purpose.

There is a big difference between "high end items" and best in slot items. There just weren't enough clears before the subsequent expansions released to generate many BiS items on live servers. Of course, there are some exceptions...but its very rare, almost non-existent compared to the amount of BiS items that have dropped on p99.

In a top end guild that monopolized the top items you could MAYBE generate 1-2 people per guild if the BiS items dropped at all and went to the same people. If there were two guilds clearing top content you would have had to get twice as lucky...etc.

I'm not saying that the folks you quoted didn't have best in slot gear (if you say they did then I believe you), but it would have been extremely rare on the large of the game before the PoP expansion. During and after PoP with the use of instances you have the rapid multiplication of high-end dungeon clears per server per expansion...increasing the chances significantly.

This doesn't even take into account that the sleeper was awoken on some servers and that AoW was barely cleared on live during Velious era --- both of which drop BiS gear for some classes.

[Jibartik]

Am I the only one that thinks that driving analogy was like perfect? :thinkingemoji:

[Jlpstrtkng]

Forgive me for being not in the know but what is full BiS lol

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jlpstrtkng [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Forgive me for being not in the know but what is full BiS lol

BiS = "Best in Slot", or in other words that your character has the best possible item for a particular slot, for their particular class. A simple example is that for many classes, the "Best in Slot" item for the Primary slot is their class's epic weapon.

"Full BiS" just means that every piece of your equipment is the best possible option for that slot (or at least equipped equipment; I don't think anyone cares how many Vox weight reduction bags you have in inventory).

The whole point of this thread is that the very idea of "Full BiS" is almost exclusively a P99 concept, but many people have forgotten as much (ie. they've forgotten that while Velious has been going strong for 3+ years here, and Kunark went for 6+ years before that, live never had either for longer than a year).

[Kayso2]

A lot of this was already said.

There was only a year between Velious and Luclin.

Quite a few servers didn't kill AoW at all prior to Luclin. I think only 2-3 guilds killed him without the charmed giant prior to Lulcin. He was not on farm status. So without two AoW drops, we rule out some classes from BiS.

Tunare was another mob not on farm status. I'd bet there are more earrings on p99 than there were across all live servers prior to Luclin.

And considering how many Vulak/Doze loots you need to get BiS, the idea that one person could accumulate enough items, especially with Vulak's huge loot table, is pretty long odds.

So maybe a couple dozen people across all servers were BiS? Does that make it a thing?

[Jibartik]

Im like... I feel like that post I made bout driving is like, the theory of relativity in its simplicity and clarity describing how one is good at EQ

[Jibartik]

Wait you know what also have we given credit to tecmos? like seriously, obviously he is skilled at everquest, although he does always say he learned it from some other dudes actually...

Well the point I was about to get at was, that obviously there are people that are, or were, skilled at this game, that figured out how to do the stuff that we all just watch they themselves or other people tell us how to do on youtube.

I mean I'm pretty good at driving so I have figured out a few things, but like, every time I log onto my enchanter I'm like:

"dang logged off at 10% hp, well lets get that back up first, then step, step, agro, screw up, stun, forget what to do, hit hit, gate, back to 10%, camp"

But I used that enchanter to do great things once! (thanks in part to tecmos).

Where as it seems noman or whataver 8th enchanter tecmos is on seems to be doing fine getting exp (though you do die a lot so again maybe this point is mute and there is no skill and we're back to where we started)

lol idk

Maybe the only skill required to be good at everquest is patience.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe the only skill required to be good at everquest is patience.

I think social skills are important. It helps being able to rally people to your cause, to work as part of a team, be a good follower or good leader.

[Nuggie]

So... the people I look up to in life are people that aren't afraid (read as insecure) about their situation or station enough to give compliments to people around them. They build up other people's confidence. Be the tide that raises all the ships on their coast. Whether or not those people necessarily deserve it that particular time they earned some praise at some point.

Those of you saying people on P99 aren't skilled at EQ, or gaming in general, maybe should try to grow some inner strength enough to throw sunshine in someone's life instead of shade. To me it makes you sound weak and insecure.

This server has an abundance of smart people that apply their cleverness towards mechanics and emergant gameplay/techniques. Give them some credit.

[Halfcell]

Being "good" at Everquest requires the same mix of things that are required to be good at anything else. It is a combination of knowledge base, experience, willingness to experiment and learn regardless of the consequences of failure, reaction time, and an innate ineffable final factor that is not evenly distributed and cannot be acquired through hard work on all of the others.

Some people spend a crazy amount of time playing EQ, learning, and experimenting, and are also just innately good at video games. They are better than you at EQ, and probably many other games. That's no reason to insult them out of petty jealousy, I am sure you are better than them at other things. You decide what matters to you, they decide what matters to them, and you are all wrong because no one cares, nothing you do matters and 1000 years from now no one will even know you existed so chill out.

Also, no, no one was BiS in velious on live except maybe Furor and a couple of other top tier main tanks in guilds like Afterlife, Triton, and Legacy of Steel because they loot counciled BiS items to their top guys.