When PSG steals Koi off of two separate guilds’ pull and FTE - Page 5

Yoink1986 · #41 03-26-2019, 01:40 PM

Rip is as important as the other 350 AM members ��

hobart · #42 03-26-2019, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Baylan295 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a joke to say that guilds other than AM, AG, and Core aren't in ToV. PS regularly spends 1-2 cycles a month in ToV. What those cycles are depends very much on the targets available and the windows for those targets, because we don't operate a 24/7 shop like some of the other guilds on this server.

Not to mention the fact that I've been screaming from the top of a stool that concessions are meaningless in a multi-guild environment, because it doesn't actually restore the wronged guild to its prior position, it's merely punitive for the guild that does the wrong. That leaves the guild that was wronged in a worse position than they would otherwise be in.

The concession system is dumb given the current state of the server. Along with a lot of other rules. Let me know if you have a good alternative.

I think you're saying that if Core has a dragon in camp and AG accidentally trains and wipes them, a concession by AG means nothing to Core because AM is now killing that dragon. I agree. The raid rules are based on the outdated concept that there are only two guilds competing because that was traditionally the case.

In the above scenario, Core had FTE at the time of the violation by AG. They should get 30 minutes to recover and start the kill. If they wipe they're done for that mob unless it was due to another violation.

I know AM will object to the 30 minute time, but not every guild has a massive raid force that can swap characters and be ready to go in 1 minute. 30 mins gives the guilds who need every player ready a reasonable time to recover, set up another pull, and get another kill going.

The down side to this proposal, of course, is that AG and Core can make backroom deals to deny AM. Core FTEs Dozekar with 6 people in zone. AG trains them on "accident" and Core now gets 30 mins to gather and prep for an uncontested Doze kill. Core happens to offer a "rotting" tear to AG. AM never had a fair chance. Um, actually, there is no downside. That's the solution. You're welcome. Hope this helps.

ajohnymous · #43 03-26-2019, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to agree. If you are not competing for the mob consistently, then it doesn't matter if you lie, cheat or steal a mob to get that one kill.

I like the idea of concessions for AM, AG & Core for tov/kael mobs since we are competing for them every week and have a presence. It just doesn't feel right if a guild that is never there decides to take a mob and concedes future mobs when they have no intention to compete for those mobs anyways.

Don’t take this the wrong way, but it’s really nice seeing a rational, thoughtful post from someone in AM here. I wish all your officers and guildies communicated like this.

ajohnymous · #44 03-26-2019, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by hobart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you're saying that if Core has a dragon in camp and AG accidentally trains and wipes them, a concession by AG means nothing to Core because AM is now killing that dragon. I agree. The raid rules are based on the outdated concept that there are only two guilds competing because that was traditionally the case.

In the above scenario, Core had FTE at the time of the violation by AG. They should get 30 minutes to recover and start the kill. If they wipe they're done for that mob unless it was due to another violation.

I know AM will object to the 30 minute time, but not every guild has a massive raid force that can swap characters and be ready to go in 1 minute. 30 mins gives the guilds who need every player ready a reasonable time to recover, set up another pull, and get another kill going.

The down side to this proposal, of course, is that AG and Core can make backroom deals to deny AM. Core FTEs Dozekar with 6 people in zone. AG trains them on "accident" and Core now gets 30 mins to gather and prep for an uncontested Doze kill. Core happens to offer a "rotting" tear to AG. AM never had a fair chance. Um, actually, there is no downside. That's the solution. You're welcome. Hope this helps.

You’re forgetting AG and Core don’t act like the toxic officers and members of AM to pull that kind of stuff. Those types of players are filtered out and end up in AM.

hobart · #45 03-26-2019, 02:22 PM

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You’re forgetting AG and Core don’t act like the toxic officers and members of AM to pull that kind of stuff. Those types of players are filtered out and end up in AM.

I didn't forget. I don't disagree either.

Jimjam · #46 03-26-2019, 02:22 PM

The concession/fte guideline is there to prevent content being monopolised with shady tactics.

The fact this convention doesn't punish forces which don't monopolise content doesn't seem to be of any importance to me.

Hell I think I'd even be supportive of 'we're going to kill or KS all (zone/area) mobs on day/month and then take a 30 day elective concession of those mobs' as a pseudo rotation mechanic.

Nexii · #47 03-26-2019, 02:33 PM

This thread is missing an actual account of events..

Jimjam · #48 03-26-2019, 02:53 PM

RNF cares not for facts nor experts.

Jimjam · #49 03-26-2019, 02:53 PM

(An ex is a hasbeen,
A spurt is just a drip under pressure)

Oleris · #50 03-26-2019, 02:59 PM

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So on this note does AM concede the next 2 statues? For training a summoning vindi on AG while they were killing statue?? or the fact that you shoe horned the AoW kill for them make up for it?

We fight in closer quarters in TOV and never desynch. There were 600 players in fear on the last quake. Seems like there is an issue with kael on the server side.

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3/10
1/23
1/8-1/9
12/20
11/21

That's... 1-2 times a month since November. Just because we don't sock when we don't have a viable kill force doesn't mean we aren't there.

Seems like when there is a quake or the following week when everything is in a single window. I don't remember the last time I've seen PS on the line personally.

I wasn't there for what happened, but I don't think I've ever seen a guild with not the FTE kill a mob besides when something accidentally gets blurred.