New ToV rules

[Terrel]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dragons aren't hard to kill. Please don't think that we raid because we enjoy the process of killing a mob once it is in camp.

What made this game fun at the high end was competing against other like minded individuals for loot that other people couldn't obtain.

Exactly my points! That makes it fun for YOU! More power to you.

Your fun isn't fun for me, or, I suspect, a majority of the raid capable player base. Why? Because we can't log in at 2pm on a weekday.

I'll get my fun a different way than you. That's ok. I dont' expect you to see eye to eye with me, and won't try to convince you otherwise.

But there are plenty of "I don't like this decision" posts in this thread, and others. I DO like it, and I wanted to make that clear to the developers.

Maybe my thoughts will change after a while. Maybe they won't. We'll all see how it turns out.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Hotel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dragons aren't hard to kill. Please don't think that we raid because we enjoy the process of killing a mob once it is in camp.

What made this game fun at the high end was competing against other like minded individuals for loot that other people couldn't obtain. You say you are happy to now explore a zone you never have before. Well, consider the fact that this new rule will exclude players whose spent there last couple months doing nothing but practicing and playing in that same zone. These players now are just told to leave and do whatever while people who have never put time into learning the zone get free reign because god said so.

Also, on the notion of skill. Obviously anyone can preform the necessary actions to pull ToV dragons, it really isn't that hard. But why we deserve the loot is because we spend 10+hrs at a time just waiting for things to spawn and being ready for when they do. I don't think I'm special because I can no life a game, but I do think I deserve more loot than someone who spends 3 hours a night in dungeons or leveling an alt.

Was looking forward to raiding with Core, BG, and AG but I guess that will never happen.

I do not enjoy waiting 10+ hours for things to spawn. I do not enjoy spamming a button at empty space for an hour straight.

Honestly, those behaviors shouldn't be rewarded with the best gear. Even under this new system, it's still going to take a lot of time and dedication to find and win your desired drops seeing as how your particular guild will be doing ToV much more rarely. Don't worry, casual scum will still drool over your pixels.

[Rygar]

I think this is a message that dev's do not want p99 to be a lifestyle, I think that is good, let's see how it goes.

I think it's a good experiment, try for 6 months then try no CSR tov. Learn from all 3 approaches thus far and adopt best one, or a hybrid.

Only disappointment is allowing zone line pulling, wish they would say that is mechanics exploit and cost you rotation spot. Please Braknar, heed my call...

[Roboturner]

If we are going to rotate then it might as well be instances. Many of us stay for the competition, not the loot piñatas.

If the intent was to reduce headcount/server cost over the recent increase then this will work. A better option would have been to put out a request for monies as many would have donated.

If the intent was to minimize or reduce the effectiveness of a few guilds that have put in their time, effort, and recruited the best, then this will work.

If the intent was to allow more players to experience the end-game for a cycle before they rotate to a different game, then this will work. Not many are going to wait around for months before their next loot piñata that is a freebie.

If the intent was to punish certain guilds over political infighting, then this will work. Despite that infighting being a result of server rules.

If the intent is to reward the 5 or so folks in each mid-tier guild that give a crap with high-end loot, then this will work. A better option would have been for those folks to apply to the group(s) of like minded individuals that try hard to a try hard guild.

If the intent was to eliminate competition and the desire to compete/play for many, this will work.

I’m not a smart man, but it really feels like we’re shooting ourselves in the foot for a short term gain.

[White_knight]

I for one think this is great. -50% petitions probably off the bat. I am 32 years old, I dont have 80 hrs per week to play EQ anymore. I am sure 95% of this community is in the same boat. We shouldn't be hahamstrung by the 5% that can play 18 hrs a day and tag mobs for their guild.

Now I know once every 2 months I can clear schedule, take a day off work and go hammer and tongs on some dragons!

Sure it will put back pressure on non-tov targets but hey that is where the new competition will be.

[commongood]

Yeah, p99 raiding has been min/max'd to the extreme. In a way it's very impressive to witness the military precision of guilds competing with FTEs, secondarys trainups, goalkeeping etc.

But in another way it's completely insane and very much against the spirit of the original game design (just my opinion obviously).

[Prostatus]

Bank of Aftermath gonna be selling green scales for 2.5 million plat soon

take note non epic warriors

[Prostatus]

Originally Posted by Prostatus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bank of Aftermath gonna be selling green scales for 2.5 million plat soon

take note non epic warriors

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=316687

new rules takes its first warrior victim

[GnomeCaptain]

One of the worst changes I can imagine. I'm approaching 60 and considering guilds, now I'd rather not and feel sort of robbed.

If I wanted to clock-in for raids like a shift-worker I'd play the festering pile of instanced excrement known as WoW.

[commongood]

Originally Posted by GnomeCaptain [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

One of the worst changes I can imagine. I'm approaching 60 and considering guilds, now I'd rather not and feel sort of robbed.

If I wanted to clock-in for raids like a shift-worker I'd play the festering pile of instanced excrement known as WoW.

I understand if what you were mostly looking for was decking your char out in ToV gear because of the way the server's been for a while you could always "just" app for one of the 2-3 guilds that did ToV and eventually have enough dkp to buy the loot you wanted.
This pretty radically changes that.

But I guess cynics will say that it's not a humanrights issue to have access to ToV every week [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]