2 and 1/5 Month Raid Ban

[Docx]

Let me get this straight, a simple IP search would show that a NON core member logged into a core member tagged character and it gave core an extended raid ban? This could be very, very easily abused if that’s the case and something we should avoid at all costs...

Also there is the spirit of the rule vs letter of the law. If the monk was core I could see it being upheld, if the monk is some random getting help by some good guys, come on...

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Docx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me get this straight, a simple IP search would show that a NON core member logged into a core member tagged character and it gave core an extended raid ban? This could be very, very easily abused if that’s the case and something we should avoid at all costs...

You are correct. What's crazy is this happened twice both resulting in non-rescinded suspension extensions for <Core>. ( they were appealed obviously but to no success )

[Docx]

Originally Posted by Erati [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are correct. What's crazy is this happened twice both resulting in non-rescinded suspension extensions for <Core>. ( they were appealed obviously but to no success )

I know I’m super casual now and don’t keep up with much of anything anymore, but common sense has to be taken into account. Am I being told that because I l have access to a ranger tracker in fear tagged tempest, I could log onto that character and cause a guild I have no affiliation with an extension on a future ban they will inevitably receive? Really?

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by Docx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know I’m super casual now and don’t keep up with much of anything anymore, but common sense has to be taken into account. Am I being told that because I l have access to a ranger tracker in fear tagged tempest, I could log onto that character and cause a guild I have no affiliation with an extension on a future ban they will inevitably receive? Really?

Common sense is a joke here.

I bet if you logged in the ranger nothing would happen.

They have a hard on for Core. It’s clear they don’t want them around.

It’s sad really.

[Siberious]

Good luck policing every guild member ever when people take breaks weeks/months at a time, and pay various amounts of attention to things. Just ban the individual member for 7 days whenever they violate the rule if you want to be so extreme about it. Then they'll be forced to ask guild/read rules during their ban and learn. Banning an entire guild for 30 days for someone zoning into a raid zone and killing a minor non-raid target blows my mind. Then again raid scene is already crazy extreme, might as well double down on the craziness, can't go wrong doing that.

[tesaria]

Yes Staff are aware for the first 2 extensions that a <Tempest> member for the first and a Random player not affiliated with Core for the second logged into inactive <Core> accounts.

[Ella`Ella]

Until you stop logging in, nothing will change...

[skarlorn]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until you stop logging in, nothing will change...

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until you stop logging in, nothing will change...

If you are implying things will change after we stop logging on then this simply is not supported by the evidence.

Project1999 players have widely taken this approach to the red server "and still I see no changes".

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are implying things will change after we stop logging on then this simply is not supported by the evidence.

Project1999 players have widely taken this approach to the red server "and still I see no changes".

I don't think using the red server serves as appropriate evidence - red server was never a traffic driver to these forums or to the project in general.

If blue's average nightly population is ~1200 as someone above me claims, then suddenly drops to ~600 over the next few months and a bulk of those exiting players cite heavy-handed abuse from staff as the reason, it would be reasonable to expect Admins to change up their staff or policies.

But then again, nothing on P99 reflects any semblance of reason, so...