40 day raid ban

[Tupakk]

If everyone could do it there would be more guilds doing it.

Even the lower content y’all don’t do. Many many many times I’ve poked Anon leaders to come up to atleast my level of what I call raiding. Just for some friendly competition. When BGA was a thing I loved it. You need to sip the koolaid and come play.

[jpetrick]

Loramin you should just app either A/A guild for a few weeks to learn before you armchair quarterback what you think the raid scene is actually like.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Loramin you should just app either A/A guild for a few weeks to learn before you armchair quarterback what you think the raid scene is actually like.

You're clearly not listening to what I'm saying. It wouldn't matter if I was in the old Kittens guild (the one that didn't raid). It wouldn't matter if I had never even played here, and had only read Rogean's and Sirken's posts. I still wouldn't believe that Rogean and Sirken are stupid enough to create rules such that guilds can't raid top-end content without breaking them.

Does playing by the rules make it harder to compete? I'm sure (again, without even being in A/A). Do the A/A guilds have a strong incentive to break the rules if they want to get more pixels? Again, not in A/A so I don't know, but I'd imagine so.

But none of that changes the fact that guild leaders can choose to play by the rules. If you want to convince me that it's in fact impossible for them to play by the rules, and that leaders have no choice and must break the rules, then someone show me a rule that you have to break to compete.

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're clearly not listening to what I'm saying. It wouldn't matter if I was in the old Kittens guild (the one that didn't raid). It wouldn't matter if I had never even played here, and had only read Rogean's and Sirken's posts. I still wouldn't believe that Rogean and Sirken are stupid enough to create rules such that guilds can't raid top-end content without breaking them.

Does playing by the rules make it harder to compete? I'm sure (again, without even being in A/A). Do the A/A guilds have a strong incentive to break the rules if they want to get more pixels? Again, not in A/A so I don't know, but I'd imagine so.

But none of that changes the fact that guild leaders can choose to play by the rules. If you want to convince me that it's in fact impossible for them to play by the rules, and that leaders have no choice and must break the rules, then someone show me a rule that you have to break to compete.

You just don't understand what it looks like when two guilds are competing for the same mob. You would benefit from seeing it first hand so you wouldn't go off spouting misinformation.

[loramin]

Look, either:

A) guild leaders have a choice, and can follow the rules and still raid

or

B) guild leaders have no choice and they have to break the rules to compete

If it's really B) then why is it so hard for someone to quote even single rule that supports that theory? I mean if B) is really the case, you'd think there would be a whole bunch of obvious rules you could quote.

Or to put it another way, if you really think Sirken and Rogean are idiots, and they made impossible to follow rules, then come out and say why you think that. Don't just attack me, I'm only a straw man: attack the idea I'm pushing, that leaders have a choice to follow the rules.

[Argh]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look, either:

A) guild leaders have a choice, and can follow the rules and still raid

or

B) guild leaders have no choice and they have to break the rules to compete

If it's really B) then why is it so hard for someone to quote even single rule that supports that theory? I mean if B) is really the case, you'd think there would be a whole bunch of obvious rules you could quote.

Or to put it another way, if you really think Sirken and Rogean are idiots, and they made impossible to follow rules, then come out and say why you think that. Don't just attack me, I'm only a straw man: attack the idea I'm pushing, that leaders have a choice to follow the rules.

You've created some weird straw man argument that nobody is actually arguing.

[jpetrick]

You're being an idiot now just for the sake of it. It has been explained to you in multiple posts that no one is out there attempting to break the rules willfully. Rules get broken because of mistakes that happen. You attempt to rectify those mistakes when they do happen. Players aren't perfect.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're being an idiot now just for the sake of it. It has been explained to you in multiple posts that no one is out there attempting to break the rules willfully. Rules get broken because of mistakes that happen. You attempt to rectify those mistakes when they do happen. Players aren't perfect.

And as I keep saying, no one is powerless here. You don't walk in to ToV and suddenly lose all control of your character. Guild leaders have choices, and they can make choices that lead to breaking the rules, or they can do things differently. No one has posted even a single rule that contradicts that; the best anyone has said is "we have to train so we have to break the no training rule".

And then there's the one thing you and everyone else keeps avoiding: Rogean and Sirken aren't morons. They created the raid rules, and if you truly believe that it's impossible to follow those rules and still raid, you're basically saying Rogean and Sirken are too stupid to write rules people can actually follow. So if you're going to make such a claim, back it up! Don't just say "you're a n00b who can't understand the hard life of an A/A raider", say "we have to break rule X because if we don't we can't compete."

[Tupakk]

Die where you are around 10 other people... die where you are and wipe an entire FTE.


You are comparing apples to astronauts.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tupakk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Die where you are around 10 other people... die where you are and wipe an entire FTE.


You are comparing apples to astronauts.

So play by the rules, or risk losing a mob. Exactly what I've been saying all along.