CSG Successfully Crawls NToV Despite EQ Being Difficult

[Sadiki]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

many of the so-called casuals put in just as much playtime as do the hardcore raiders if not more. The only difference is the activities the players partake while logged in the game. I know some AW/AM players who are logged in far less tha some of the "casuals" I know.

I don't think most non-raiders realize that P99 isn't about "hardcore people raid more" vs "casuals raid less" like other games like WoW. If anything, warm bodies in A/A play much less than CSG members overall.

The point is, EQ content isn't that difficult if you have the people, even with Luclin mobs roaming around NToV. P99 just turned it into a ridiculous game of fighting other players who get off on griefing and trolling just to engage a mob that is otherwise easy to kill... and then it devolved into not even playing the game just to zone pull and "win". It's all ridiculous, and without that wall in the way people can actually come in and play and enjoy a raid zone for once.

Crawling again right now to reclear north end of zone, up to 78 people.

[Zemus]

Hot damn, Lhance wrote something insightful for once.

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. Suspended players venting because they are going through pixel withdrawals, being unnecessarily angry and taking it out on "casuals" who posted their fun in NTOV.

***This is bullshit because being bitter that you can't raid shouldn't mean you have to tear down those who are able to raid. This is extremely childish.

Yeah, maybe there is some passive aggressiveness coming out. It really comes down to being suspended for reasons that were altogether pretty mild.

• Awakened's first (recent) suspension was due to vulak being trained on AM when the mob was barely out of camp after the wipe and brought back on accident zoning in. It wasn't their FTE so they couldn't kill it even though they were actively trying to get a fresh FTE.
• Awakened's current suspension training their mages and not helping them recover is really cringy if you see the video. In all honesty we messed up and deserve to be dinged for this one. Nothing malicious however, just one guy being dumb. We are responsible for the people we run out there, however, so..
• Aftermath's current suspension is pretty weak IMO. Using a pull method that is technically against the rules but has been the de-facto method out of simple convince. The fact that Vyemm was conceded means nothing to me if they are not interfering with our ability to kill Vyemm. I guess AW must have petitioned to get them suspended I don't know.

All this to say that the current batch of suspensions is pretty weak. People calling for increased punishments for repeat offenders is either uninformed or trolling.

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. "Casuals" claiming they have real lives, their guild tag proves so because it calls itself casual and those who raid in AM/AW all have no lives and do nothing but raid dragon pixels.

***This is bullshit because many of the so-called casuals put in just as much playtime as do the hardcore raiders if not more. The only difference is the activities the players partake while logged in the game. I know some AW/AM players who are logged in far less tha some of the "casuals" I know.

Man this is the truth. Raiding plane of sky, kunark dragons, or whatever, for years on end is really not that different than ToV for your average player.

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. AM/AW members claiming that "casuals" can't raid dragons because they don't put the work in to accomplish such a feat.

***This is bullshit because the groundwork and domination that AW/AM have atm was cemented long ago under the tags of other guilds with many of the same players who controlled the raid scene years ago. Most of the present members never put in any "work" they simply got invited to the gravy train raid guild and now are enjoying the pixels that rain down.

Yep, we're standing on the shoulders of those who came before us who built up a mage army and condensed all the encounters down to a science. I've been in AW about 6-7 months now and about half the players are different than when I started. Sure there is still the core group that has been around a long time, but for the most part it's easy to hop on the gravy train. Sure things have come along that change the meta but we had time to adjust to these changes slowly over time. It's not that hard, come get pixles for 1/5 the effort it takes in another guild.

[aaezil]

Originally Posted by Zemus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All this to say that the current batch of suspensions is pretty weak. People calling for increased punishments for repeat offenders is either uninformed or trolling.

Are you not aware this is like the 50th suspension for AM? Poster simply out of touch? Unaware of past events?

[Mead]

You guys still have another round to go correct? Suspension doesn't end until Monday of next week

[Cwall 146.0]

at the start of velious for about a month or two, empire on red spent a large amount of time each week crawling through NToV

it was time consuming and often frustrating, so people complained en masse

eventually we started pulling every dragon to triplets lair in a span of 2-3 hours each week using in-zone bound pullers, and it got insanely boring very quickly

i miss the crawls

[Zemus]

Originally Posted by Sadiki [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Darn Luclin flurry drakes ruining my classic EQ experience. Thanks for the motivation, everyone!

Look at this guy, creating his own RNF thread to celebrate his guild alliance accomplishments. Then belittles them at the same time with "despite EQ being difficult". [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats CSG on the ToV clear. I'm sure it was no small task coordinating such an effort.

[jakerees]

Originally Posted by Zemus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at this guy, creating his own RNF thread to celebrate his guild alliance accomplishments. Then belittles them at the same time with "despite EQ being difficult". [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats CSG on the ToV clear. I'm sure it was no small task coordinating such an effort.

I guess I thought the "despite EQ being difficult" was a tongue in cheek reference to RedXIII's post which was quoted that implied an NToV crawl would be too difficult for CSG rather than saying, "Hey guys, clearing NToV is REALLY hard but somehow you idiots were able to do it."

[Sadiki]

Correct, Vyemm was annoying (we did zone pull him), but we never once wiped to an actual mob in ToV. The only delays were learning pulls, which we gave people time for. People who pretty much never raid pulled before were out there enjoying figuring out things. Is having fun in EQ really such a difficult concept? Did the people on P99 never play EQ before and like it? Most of our raid never even saw NToV before and loved it.

Oddly enough, we almost legit wiped to Doze at the end of the night because everyone was falling asleep at their keyboards. We skipped triplets to let people log and ended up phoning in Doze and everyone passed out.

Originally Posted by Heebs13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm petitioning your screenshot resolution. I can't even find myself in any of them.

I'm petitioning your height.

[Heebs13]

I'm petitioning your screenshot resolution. I can't even find myself in any of them.

[Rygar]

Oh sure, wait until I can't log in for months and THEN you decide to crawl! I had heavy doubts CSG would do this, but I'm super glad you did. Bravo! Wish we did this the first double A/A ban.