Scout Roll Agreement 2017

[Pokesan]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]its extremely unfair that i can't roll to sell for MQ

[jpetrick]

An agreement is only enforceable if all parties involved agree to it. You can't enforce terms of a contract upon someone who does not sign and agree to the terms.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An agreement is only enforceable if all parties involved agree to it. You can't enforce terms of a contract upon someone who does not sign and agree to the terms.

True, but I think if we have a thread in server chat where many people agree, you can point to that and say "if you roll you agree to those terms." Lets say theres no agreement listed, and AM stretch it and say "hey I won the roll but I want to sell my loot rights." Ok, fine. What if some other guild wins the roll and says "hey I don't have any factioned toons, so another guildie is going to turn in for me." What would AM do in that case? They'd probably be pissed, but for players who have multiple toons it's a lot easier for them to keep some factioned toons versus other players who may not.

[AdrenolineLove]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An agreement is only enforceable if all parties involved agree to it. You can't enforce terms of a contract upon someone who does not sign and agree to the terms.

Sure you can. Its called life. There are plenty of rules that plenty of people disagree upon. If you break the rules there's something called "punishment" which enforces said rules, regardless if you agree with them or not.

Not everything in life is resolved with a "unanimous decision", but rather a majority rules.

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by AdrenolineLove [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure you can. Its called life. There are plenty of rules that plenty of people disagree upon. If you break the rules there's something called "punishment" which enforces said rules, regardless if you agree with them or not.

Not everything in life is resolved with a "unanimous decision", but rather a majority rules.

Except on p99, where you are playing, the precedent for a player made agreement has always been that all parties involved must agree in order for the agreement to be valid. Either get a GM to make a rule or get all parties involved to agree.

I see your forum join date is 2017. I'm assuming you are just new to the server and haven't been around to know these things. Easy mistake, happy to educate you.

[LiQuid]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see your forum join date is 2017. I'm assuming you are just new to the server and haven't been around to know these things. Easy mistake, happy to educate you.

How does it feel to be this outneckbearded Adrenaline?

[Fasttimes]

Don't fall into Chodney's trap. 4x 24k final offer. When green comes out manastone price will plummet on future gains so sell me your scout today.

[Dreenk317]

Originally Posted by jpetrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Except on p99, where you are playing, the precedent for a player made agreement has always been that all parties involved must agree in order for the agreement to be valid. Either get a GM to make a rule or get all parties involved to agree.

I see your forum join date is 2017. I'm assuming you are just new to the server and haven't been around to know these things. Easy mistake, happy to educate you.

Ya, but if at the start of the roll someone declares that the rules are "Your roll, Your tools, Your disc, /random 1000". And you then roll, you have consented to the rules, otherwise, if you have issue with them you should have brought it up BEFORE you rolled.

Therefore, if the rules are stated by someone BEFORE the roll, and you roll, you have consented to said player made agreement.

Its like being in a group that is alpha rotating gems, if someone says alpha, and no one says otherwise, you cant them ninja loot all the gems and tell them to point to the forum post where the Alpha Loot agreement is outlined and you can "sign up" for it. Thats just stupid logic.

[jpetrick]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya, but if at the start of the roll someone declares that the rules are "Your roll, Your tools, Your disc, /random 1000". And you then roll, you have consented to the rules, otherwise, if you have issue with them you should have brought it up BEFORE you rolled.

Therefore, if the rules are stated by someone BEFORE the roll, and you roll, you have consented to said player made agreement.

Its like being in a group that is alpha rotating gems, if someone says alpha, and no one says otherwise, you cant them ninja loot all the gems and tell them to point to the forum post where the Alpha Loot agreement is outlined and you can "sign up" for it. Thats just stupid logic.

You are obviously correct, however the person who created this thread seems to think that his version of the rules is the only rule set that may be used for scout.

[Legidias]

Originally Posted by Dreenk317 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya, but if at the start of the roll someone declares that the rules are "Your roll, Your tools, Your disc, /random 1000". And you then roll, you have consented to the rules, otherwise, if you have issue with them you should have brought it up BEFORE you rolled.

Therefore, if the rules are stated by someone BEFORE the roll, and you roll, you have consented to said player made agreement.

Its like being in a group that is alpha rotating gems, if someone says alpha, and no one says otherwise, you cant them ninja loot all the gems and tell them to point to the forum post where the Alpha Loot agreement is outlined and you can "sign up" for it. Thats just stupid logic.

THen you show up 2 mins before spawn, ooc "not rolling" and turn in. This is you you either need 100% agreement among players or a GM enforce rule.

Its way better to have a solidified base set up here besides just one side trying to enforce their entitlement rules and then a significant number of people disagreeing and turning into clickfest.

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And no, this is not a solidified rule set until a GM says it is. Until then it is an open discussion on how to fairly decide loot. YOU as a player do not decide what all other players have to do, especially when a significant amount do not agree with you.

Deciding someone arbitrarily does not need it, is, in fact, not fair at all. So what if they dont specifically need it? As I said before, maybe they really could use it and are sporting bronze bracers @ 55, but they decide the 20k is better for them as it lets them get another item they are more in need of. Anyone could use 20k if sold. And someone said about turning up every 10 hours for a quick buck? Youre joining in every 10 hours for a quick loot. Its all the same, you are just greedy and want better chances for yourself.

Having 20 people show up and rolling means 20 people are taking their time, having gotten CoV faction on 20 people, and having gotten tools to show up. I am not part of some batphone crew and I do not have a playerbase guild that will all simulatenously log in to roll, so this doesnt apply to me. I have only ever been here with maybe 4? other people I am even distantly related to, andn we all needed it. However, it is completely fair to bring a whole raid force in to roll, as they are spending their time here instead of somewhere else.

You rolling 20 times is you just making a poor arguement that doesnt apply here.

Again, stop being greedy and feeling entitled to loot, just pray your dice are lucky as everyone else is doing.